Radio 3 lossless

And for those of us in the U.K.  who can still only get 4Mb broadband (and in my village that is one of the top speeds) then we will need to carry on relying BBC Radio 3 on FM.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

And for those of us in the U.K.  who can still only get 4Mb broadband (and in my village that is one of the top speeds) then we will need to carry on relying BBC Radio 3 on FM.

Are you on aluminium Simon?

2Mb for me but R3 HD works as long as you put all your phones and iPads in flight mode, it stops them requesting data even when not using them.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

And for those of us in the U.K.  who can still only get 4Mb broadband (and in my village that is one of the top speeds) then we will need to carry on relying BBC Radio 3 on FM.

I find Tidal 16/44 FLAC to be very reliable on our 4.5Mb rural broadband (although it will probably drop out if my wife puts BBC iPlayer TV on.) Does the BBC FLAC stream use more bandwidth than this for some reason?

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

And for those of us in the U.K.  who can still only get 4Mb broadband (and in my village that is one of the top speeds) then we will need to carry on relying BBC Radio 3 on FM.

Well said that man and I get 8 on a good day with a fair wind and seem to be subsidising all these chaps getting three trillion stonkabites and who still seem to be moaning about dropouts!

ChrisSU posted:

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

And for those of us in the U.K.  who can still only get 4Mb broadband (and in my village that is one of the top speeds) then we will need to carry on relying BBC Radio 3 on FM.

I find Tidal 16/44 FLAC to be very reliable on our 4.5Mb rural broadband (although it will probably drop out if my wife puts BBC iPlayer TV on.) Does the BBC FLAC stream use more bandwidth than this for some reason?

They recommend at least 2Mbps.  So in theory, most people who have any kind of broadband connection at all should be ok.  

Though, as I'm sure you're aware, if anyone would know whether in practise 4Mb is enough, it's SiS.

I've been enjoying R3 lately, much of it is good background listening while working, so I hope they move ahead with wider lossless provision.

4Mb would be fine if that was all that was going on the line... given the average family use of broadband and other connected devices I usually find 4Mb totally inadequate for streaming FLAC .. and remember it is 4 Mb down and about 412kb up... and the TCP acknowledges all need to share that tiny upstream... and delays here can cause lost data or buffer under runs... this is where the bottleneck is on ADSL.

OK, if you're  a hermit with no family or neighbours  but come the end of the school day and the inevitable online fest everything falls apart. Did I hear earlier this week that we should be entitled to 20 meg minimum? The stuff of dreams

A report in today's Guardian   ..........  Britain's  average speed rank's it 31st in the world       A new report has found that across the UK the average broadband download speed is 16.5Mbps,     ............  UK is behind 17 EU countries although France & Italy are worse.  ............  Germany (18.8Mbps), Spain (19.6Mbps), Sweden (40Mbps) and Hungary (23Mbps).

I guess you would be happy to at least get the 16.5Mbps average Simon.     

Try 8 on a very, very good day!

I long for 8Mbps, on a very very good day I can get about 4.2 if I force a sync at sun rise but goes unstable after dark and resyncs down to about 3.8.

However SuffolkBetterBroadband has given most of my village government funded  provisional superfast enablement for the end of the year, with installation of a new mini cab at the bottom of my lane, so I might just then get around 40Mbps which would be superb.. but I am not holding my breath, as info from SCC is sketchy at best.

As far as backhaul congestion at peak school kid social media time, this will depend on ISP... BT for example does not, for the most part, have a congested / over subscribed back haul... other ISPs may vary... with broadband you tend to get what you pay for...

BTW as far as stats I'd be wary of the report that the Guardian and others are running with... it is I feel misleading, I prefer to look at the Akamai surveys... the last report I saw the UK was 20th globally, with one of the highest fixed line super-fast(30Mbps +)  availabilities in Europe at 91%, however seemingly many of us choose to buy cheaper slower ADSL... 

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

And for those of us in the U.K.  who can still only get 4Mb broadband (and in my village that is one of the top speeds) then we will need to carry on relying BBC Radio 3 on FM.

Simon, how does it compare to Radio 3 on FM? Can it be accessed through a Naim streamer? On my NDS I can see BBC Radio 3 HD which is quoted at 339kbps - is this the 'lossless' service described here? It doesn't sound as good as Radio 3 FM through the NAT01.

Clive B posted:

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

And for those of us in the U.K.  who can still only get 4Mb broadband (and in my village that is one of the top speeds) then we will need to carry on relying BBC Radio 3 on FM.

Simon, how does it compare to Radio 3 on FM? Can it be accessed through a Naim streamer? On my NDS I can see BBC Radio 3 HD which is quoted at 339kbps - is this the 'lossless' service described here? It doesn't sound as good as Radio 3 FM through the NAT01.

The R3 FLAC trial is only available on a computer through the Firefox browser.

Clive B posted:

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

And for those of us in the U.K.  who can still only get 4Mb broadband (and in my village that is one of the top speeds) then we will need to carry on relying BBC Radio 3 on FM.

Simon, how does it compare to Radio 3 on FM? Can it be accessed through a Naim streamer? On my NDS I can see BBC Radio 3 HD which is quoted at 339kbps - is this the 'lossless' service described here? It doesn't sound as good as Radio 3 FM through the NAT01.

Clive, as Chris says above the BBC R3 service on FLAC needs a computer with web browser... the service on the Naim streamers is the regular lossy service.

2Meg?  I dream of getting that fast.  1 meg here.  On a good day.  If it isn't raining.  

Reminds me of that old Monty Python sketch - 2meg, you were lucky we used to get 3kbs every third Tuesday!

:-)  Tell that to people living in London and they wouldn't believe you

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Clive B posted:

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

And for those of us in the U.K.  who can still only get 4Mb broadband (and in my village that is one of the top speeds) then we will need to carry on relying BBC Radio 3 on FM.

Simon, how does it compare to Radio 3 on FM? Can it be accessed through a Naim streamer? On my NDS I can see BBC Radio 3 HD which is quoted at 339kbps - is this the 'lossless' service described here? It doesn't sound as good as Radio 3 FM through the NAT01.

Clive, as Chris says above the BBC R3 service on FLAC needs a computer with web browser... the service on the Naim streamers is the regular lossy service.

In that case I can't see how this is meant to be a hifi solution, unless the BBC expects us all to purchase separate audio quality DACs. 

Clive B posted:

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Clive B posted:

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

And for those of us in the U.K.  who can still only get 4Mb broadband (and in my village that is one of the top speeds) then we will need to carry on relying BBC Radio 3 on FM.

Simon, how does it compare to Radio 3 on FM? Can it be accessed through a Naim streamer? On my NDS I can see BBC Radio 3 HD which is quoted at 339kbps - is this the 'lossless' service described here? It doesn't sound as good as Radio 3 FM through the NAT01.

Clive, as Chris says above the BBC R3 service on FLAC needs a computer with web browser... the service on the Naim streamers is the regular lossy service.

In that case I can't see how this is meant to be a hifi solution, unless the BBC expects us all to purchase separate audio quality DACs. 

It's only a trial at this stage, so presumably will be more widely available when/if it becomes a regular BBC service.

ChrisSU posted:

The R3 FLAC trial is only available on a computer through the Firefox browser.

You can now stream the BBC FLAC trial directly to  a Naim streamer such as the NDS using a combination of plugins on Logitech Media Server running on a NAS drive, PC, or mac.  You will need the following plugins:
Triode's BBC iplayer for FLAC stream and 
Philippe's UnP Bridge

The NDS shows as a player in the iPeng or the squeezebox app and can be controlled from that. 

There is no need for Squeezebox hardware. 

Does that actually work right now? The info on the BBC site says the FLAC trial ended in May.

R.K posted:

ChrisSU posted:

The R3 FLAC trial is only available on a computer through the Firefox browser.

You can now stream the BBC FLAC trial directly to  a Naim streamer such as the NDS using a combination of plugins on Logitech Media Server running on a NAS drive, PC, or mac.  You will need the following plugins:
Triode's BBC iplayer for FLAC stream and 
Philippe's UnP Bridge

The NDS shows as a player in the iPeng or the squeezebox app and can be controlled from that. 

There is no need for Squeezebox hardware. 

Sounds like a bit of a faff, but I guess it's probably worth it in the absence of a proprietary solution, which I guess Naim might not be able to offer to us 'legacy' users. 

Oops!  It seems that in starting this post, I have really set the cat among the pigeons!  We have here a full scale broadband rant.  I don't blame you all: I'm obviously one of the lucky ones!

No, my thought process is that it seems that this is the way things must go; after all think of Tidal, which is integral to Naim streamers.

Once started, there must be no backtracking.

Beachcomber posted:

2Meg?  I dream of getting that fast.  1 meg here.  On a good day.  If it isn't raining.  

The BB here actually improves markedly when it rains - probably due to better conductivity along the creaking infrastructure.  It's when it starts to dry out that it gets really noisy and BB drops every few minutes.