Used Supernait or new XS2

Posted by: Nina on 15 August 2017

I am thinking of trying a Naim amp again and I can buy a good used and serviced Supernait at a reasonable price or I could buy a new or lightly used XS2

I only use cd so the inbuilt Dac in the Supernait might come in handy

Do the two amps sound much the same?

Thanks for any help

 

 

Posted on: 01 October 2017 by Adam Zielinski

Nina - you will like the player. It's good. Very good indeed.

Enjoy the music!

Posted on: 01 October 2017 by Nina

I'm really looking forward to getting it Adam

Just wondering how good the supplied 5 pin din cable might be compared to my rather expensive interconnects

Posted on: 01 October 2017 by Christopher_M

Re: the cable, I found that coming from a world of valve tweakery, using the standard supplied Naim item from DIN output on the CD player to DIN input on the amp as Naim suggest just worked.

There are those here who will be able to give you the technical whys and wherefors. But the main thing is that the music hangs together as a communicative whole  with the standard cable which is referred to as a 'lavender'. (They are grey but I have managed to convinced myself that they have a slightly pinkish sheen).

 

Posted on: 01 October 2017 by Adam Zielinski

Just test the CD5XS - don't stress about the interconnect for now. If you decide to keep it, you can experimentt with various interconnects at a later stage - Naim HiLine is a decent upgrade.

Posted on: 02 October 2017 by Massimo Bertola
SongStream posted:
 
 

I thought you were local. 

If you consider Planet Earth as a residence, I am.

Posted on: 02 October 2017 by Massimo Bertola

I see that this indestructible topic has moved to some sideways sub-topics and now we're discussing ICs. Well, I have had four or five HiLines at least, more on the basis of a pre-conceptual, untested conviction that they had to be better than the lavender, as is customary with all faith-based attitudes; then I realized that the the lavender has some points over the HiLine, namely the rich, albeit a little heaped, midrange, and a spontaneity that the illustrious relative hasn't.

Anyway, I am using a Vertere Pulse D-Fi din to din interconnect, and am very happy with it because it preserves what must be preserved and brings a little more education to the party.

Best

M

Posted on: 03 October 2017 by Nina

Ooops sorry about the "sideways" topics   

The CD5 XS should be delivered tomorrow all being well

I will initially use the supplied 5 pin din lead and see how I get on; I have to say that lead is a bit cheap looking but will give it a go 

Posted on: 03 October 2017 by Christopher_M

I know you're excited and hopefully there will be a comparison of CD5XS, "cheap looking" lead, Nait XS2, Naca5 wires and your favourite speakers with a memory of the valve stuff that has gone before into the same speakers. The only question being, does the Naim set give you more pleasure?

Posted on: 03 October 2017 by Nina

At the moment Christopher I am loving my music through the SN2 and my current source and to be honest the Naim cd is going to have to go some to better what I am already hearing, but I was just too tempted not to try one.  If I don't like it I am sure it will sell easily enough

The Naim amps are already giving me more pleasure that my valve set ups, and I was not expecting that at all

Don't know why it's taken me 20 years to 'get' the 'Naim thing'     

Posted on: 03 October 2017 by TOBYJUG

And the mains cables ?

Posted on: 03 October 2017 by Christopher_M
Nina posted:

Don't know why it's taken me 20 years to 'get' the 'Naim thing'     

I was just the same. I think it was something conceptual, in that I was confused by the preamps being powered by the power amps. Not a problem you nor I will currently have to face.

C.

Posted on: 03 October 2017 by Nina
TOBYJUG posted:

And the mains cables ?

The SN2 is using the supplied Naim mains cable and I will run the Naim cd the same way.  I do have an 'upmarket' mains cable I can try at a later stage though  

Posted on: 03 October 2017 by hungryhalibut
Christopher_M posted:
Nina posted:

Don't know why it's taken me 20 years to 'get' the 'Naim thing'     

I was just the same. I think it was something conceptual, in that I was confused by the preamps being powered by the power amps. Not a problem you nor I will currently have to face.

C.

Ooh, that's a bit of downsizing I missed. 

Posted on: 03 October 2017 by Bubbamike

I'm really happy with my SN2. The only thing the XS did better may have been the tone of the piano. That was magical but the SN2 is close and has more depth and breath of sound than the XS did, it also doesn't have the bug that causes it to lock up that the XS did. But that was usually rare. The XS is happy in someone else's home and I hope they are very happy with it.

Posted on: 04 October 2017 by Nina

The CD5 XS is in

Now I will just wait for the amp and cd to warm up for a while before doing any serious listening

Posted on: 04 October 2017 by Christopher_M

Should be starting to come on song by now.......

C.

Posted on: 04 October 2017 by Nina

After leaving everything to warm through I am not impressed at all with the CD5 XS

My present transport and dac blows it away

I will try with my normal interconnects this evening and see how I get on

I do like the operation with the swing draw though

Posted on: 04 October 2017 by ChrisSU

Which amp are you using with the CD5? The Supernait arguably deserves a better source, such as the CDX2, and may be showing the limitations of the CD5, which might be a better match with the Nait XS. Can't speak for the quality of your other CD player though, maybe you should just stick with that. 

Posted on: 05 October 2017 by Christopher_M
Nina posted:

After leaving everything to warm through I am not impressed at all with the CD5 XS

Please confirm that your Naim gear is being left on 24/7.

Posted on: 05 October 2017 by Christopher_M

Also, what are the units standing upon?

Posted on: 05 October 2017 by Perol
Nina posted:

After leaving everything to warm through I am not impressed at all with the CD5 XS

My present transport and dac blows it away

I will try with my normal interconnects this evening and see how I get on

I do like the operation with the swing draw though

I'm not surpriced the valve based source is very different

Before you finally ditch the CD5xs do connect the Naim i/c and if possible get a flatcap on loan, its a great upgrade and I'm not sure I would replace such combo with a CDX2

Maybe give it a few days to come on song

Maybe another few days to get used to the presentation

Finally if its beginning to perform more to your likings, there's plenty of interconnect upgrades available if you dare.

Posted on: 05 October 2017 by Nina
Christopher_M posted:
Nina posted:

After leaving everything to warm through I am not impressed at all with the CD5 XS

Please confirm that your Naim gear is being left on 24/7.

Yes being left on 24/7

Posted on: 05 October 2017 by Nina
Christopher_M posted:

Also, what are the units standing upon?

They are on a fairly cheapo wooden unit, not hifi quality at all

I do however have a couple of nice hifi stands that I intend to use

Posted on: 06 October 2017 by Nina

I believe the CD5 XS is a superb player, especially for what I paid for it, but it doesn't quite match up to my current transport and dac

However, to get away from anything 'valve', I am thinking about trying a Chord Dac in my system and using the CD5 XS as a transport

Am I correct in saying the transport in the 5 is much the same as that used in the CDX2?

I absolutely love the loading system in the Naim cd's

Posted on: 06 October 2017 by Christopher_M
Nina posted:

I believe the CD5 XS is a superb player, especially for what I paid for it, but it doesn't quite match up to my current transport and dac

If your findings are as a result of having used CD5 XS with SN2 then please try with a warmed up NAIT XS2. Could be in for a surprise.