Used Supernait or new XS2

The dealer I purchased the NACA5 cable has come back to me and admits he may have rushed the job which is no problem as these things sometime happen.  He has offered a new pair to be made for me which is super of him so I will return these ones to him tomorrow and await for the new pair to arrive

So all is good  

Nina posted:

The dealer I purchased the NACA5 cable has come back to me and admits he may have rushed the job which is no problem as these things sometime happen.  He has offered a new pair to be made for me which is super of him so I will return these ones to him tomorrow and await for the new pair to arrive

So all is good  

 

Let's hope they are exemplary this time and do the biz.  Good luck.  

I'm pretty sure they will be fine this time   

After contacting the dealer again I have heard absolutely nothing back and I know that my returned cable arrived with them yesterday.  I did an online chat with the dealer yesterday and it was the Director of the company that I chatted with...  he knew nothing about the problem and apologised that I have not heard back from the manager of the store.  He is going to chat to the manager on Monday for me and hopefully get this sorted

As an aside can anyone tell me what Naim separates would be the nearest equivalent to the SN2? 

I bet as soon as I receive my SN2 Naim will bring out the SN3     I am guessing the SN2 is probably due for replacement as it's been out for some years now

Nina posted:

As an aside can anyone tell me what Naim separates would be the nearest equivalent to the SN2? 

Wow, are you going to try and break the record for the fastest ever ascent of the Naim upgrade ladder!!? 

The closest would be the 202/200, which is a little more expensive than the Supernait. Personally, I prefer it, but some seem to like the SN2 more. 

ChrisSU posted:

Wow, are you going to try and break the record for the fastest ever ascent of the Naim upgrade ladder!!? 

Maybe Chris    The thing is I really love the XS2 and to be honest I didn't think I would so I am curious about the SN2

If I prefer the SN2 to the XS2 it will stay if not it goes back

It's a shame I have to wait until I return from hols before getting the SN2 though 

Whereabouts in Hampshire are you? It's a big county, we are SP6 and I have an SN2.

Hi Robert I am in Portsmouth however I know where SP6 is as we often stay at Sandy Balls with our caravan...  

Can I ask how you get on with your SN2 and what it replaced ?

Portsmuff eh? Just down the road from me. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

Portsmuff eh? Just down the road from me. 

Where are you HH and which amp do you use ?

Nina posted:

As an aside can anyone tell me what Naim separates would be the nearest equivalent to the SN2? 

I bet as soon as I receive my SN2 Naim will bring out the SN3     I am guessing the SN2 is probably due for replacement as it's been out for some years now

282- 272/250 would be the closest equivalent in my opinion, the 200 is rated at 70 watts, 300VA, the SN2 is rated at 80 watts, the same as the 250, and I believe it has the same torrid transformer as the 250, both are rated at 400VA and look identical when I saw them side by side.

Just an aside, the 200/202 combo will run you a little under eight thousand US dollars, a SN2 with a HiCap DR will run you a little over eight thousand US dollars. That combo sounds tremendous and much more powerful than the 200DR.

Also, the SN2 is not very old, about four years old, so pretty young in Naim terms.

Just an FYI.

We are in sunny Emsworth. You'll be most welcome to pop round for a listen and a cuppa. The system is in my profile. 

badlands posted:

282- 272/250 would be the closest equivalent in my opinion, the 200 is rated at 70 watts, 300VA, the SN2 is rated at 80 watts, the same as the 250, and I believe it has the same torrid transformer as the 250, both are rated at 400VA and look identical when I saw them side by side.

Just an aside, the 200/202 combo will run you a little under eight thousand US dollars, a SN2 with a HiCap DR will run you a little over eight thousand US dollars. That combo sounds tremendous and much more powerful than the 200DR.

Also, the SN2 is not very old, about four years old, so pretty young in Naim terms.

Just an FYI.

Great thanks Badlands...  in UK the 282 is £4k and the 250 £3.5k so if the SN2 comes anywhere close then it does seem very good value at £3K, maybe there is a saving as there is just one casing etc

Can anyone tell me if the SN2 has always had the DR circuit?

I thought at 4 years old Naim may be looking at updating the SN2, what is the usual update period for Naim amps?

Hungryhalibut posted:

We are in sunny Emsworth. You'll be most welcome to pop round for a listen and a cuppa. The system is in my profile. 

Thank you so much HH that's very kind of you 

I will wait until I get the SN2 in the system and see how I get on with it...

Nina posted:

Can I ask how you get on with your SN2 and what it replaced ?

Love it, and replaced an XS. Had it less than a month, and had the XS for 7 years. There was very little inherently "wrong" with the XS but circumstances were such that I had an opportunity to move up to what I consider to be my "forever" amp. It works so well with my Neat speakers that I cant imagine ever wanting to change anything.

SN2 has DR, SN1 didnt. SN2 hasnt been revised since it replaced the earlier model in 2013.

robert_h posted:

Love it, and replaced an XS. Had it less than a month, and had the XS for 7 years. There was very little inherently "wrong" with the XS but circumstances were such that I had an opportunity to move up to what I consider to be my "forever" amp. It works so well with my Neat speakers that I cant imagine ever wanting to change anything.

Great thanks Robert

I am hoping that my SN2 will also be my "forever" amp, if not then I am quite happy to live with my XS2 

Are you able to describe what the SN2 does 'better' than the XS ? I won't be getting my SN2 until about the 12th/13th September

Thanks also for confirming the SN2 has always had the DR circuit as I was concerned that my SN2 wouldn't have it..

badlands posted:

Nina posted:

As an aside can anyone tell me what Naim separates would be the nearest equivalent to the SN2? 

I bet as soon as I receive my SN2 Naim will bring out the SN3     I am guessing the SN2 is probably due for replacement as it's been out for some years now

282- 272/250 would be the closest equivalent in my opinion, the 200 is rated at 70 watts, 300VA, the SN2 is rated at 80 watts, the same as the 250, and I believe it has the same torrid transformer as the 250, both are rated at 400VA and look identical when I saw them side by side.

Just an aside, the 200/202 combo will run you a little under eight thousand US dollars, a SN2 with a HiCap DR will run you a little over eight thousand US dollars. That combo sounds tremendous and much more powerful than the 200DR.

Also, the SN2 is not very old, about four years old, so pretty young in Naim terms.

Just an FYI.

Many people believe that the 202 / 200DR is the nearest equivalent to the SN2 and that the 282 / 200 is a significant step up; and most people believe that 282 / HiCapDR / 250DR is a big step up.  All these four systems have different acoustic  presentation, so some people prefer one, some prefer another.  You need to listen to them yourself, as no one can describe the sound accurately enough for you to tell what characteristics you'll prefer without the listening test.

The 250.2 is different again, and the 250DR is a big improvement on the previous amp.

Don't judge specifically by the power output or by the size of the transformer.  The separates have a significant advantage in separating the sensitive preamp circuitry form the high voltages and high currents on the power amp; in the integrated amps these negatively affect the preamp circuits.  This is why the high end Naim system are all separate pre - power combinations.

Huge posted:

Many people believe that the 202 / 200DR is the nearest equivalent to the SN2 and that the 282 / 200 is a significant step up; and most people believe that 282 / HiCapDR / 250DR is a big step up.  All these four systems have different acoustic  presentation, so some people prefer one, some prefer another.  You need to listen to them yourself, as no one can describe the sound accurately enough for you to tell what characteristics you'll prefer without the listening test.

The 250.2 is different again, and the 250DR is a big improvement on the previous amp.

Don't judge specifically by the power output or by the size of the transformer.  The separates have a significant advantage in separating the sensitive preamp circuitry form the high voltages and high currents on the power amp; in the integrated amps these negatively affect the preamp circuits.  This is why the high end Naim system are all separate pre - power combinations.

That makes complete sense to me Huge

I am willing to accept a bit of compromise with the SN2 as I only want an integrated amp

Nina posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

We are in sunny Emsworth. You'll be most welcome to pop round for a listen and a cuppa. The system is in my profile. 

Thank you so much HH that's very kind of you 

I will wait until I get the SN2 in the system and see how I get on with it...

 

I'm not sure what source you have, but you may find hearing the 272/250 direction interesting before deciding on the SN2. 

Greater sense of instrument separation; it's like you can follow each melodic line more easily. Bass more controlled. Honestly I cant fault it. Vice-like grip over these Neats.

robert_h posted:

Greater sense of instrument separation; it's like you can follow each melodic line more easily. Bass more controlled. Honestly I cant fault it. Vice-like grip over these Neats.

Super thanks Robert

I can't wait to get the SN2 and if it's anything like the XS2 but 'more so' then I am in for a real treat I think..

Hungryhalibut posted:

Nina posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

We are in sunny Emsworth. You'll be most welcome to pop round for a listen and a cuppa. The system is in my profile. 

Thank you so much HH that's very kind of you 

I will wait until I get the SN2 in the system and see how I get on with it...

 

I'm not sure what source you have, but you may find hearing the 272/250 direction interesting before deciding on the SN2. 

Oh yes, the 272 / 250DR is definitely worth listening to if you're prepared to move into streaming; definitely a really good 2 box source and amp system.

Fewer limitations than an integrated amp.  I upgraded to a 272 from a Nait XS, much more than a single step upgrade.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Nina posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

We are in sunny Emsworth. You'll be most welcome to pop round for a listen and a cuppa. The system is in my profile. 

Thank you so much HH that's very kind of you 

I will wait until I get the SN2 in the system and see how I get on with it...

 

I'm not sure what source you have, but you may find hearing the 272/250 direction interesting before deciding on the SN2. 

+1. I think even 272+200 is worth considering, I like the 200 way more than the SN2.

Nina is looking for an integrated to go with her transport and dac, see earlier.