Europlug!

Posted by: Mike1951 on 19 August 2017

I am in the process of replacing the UK plug on my Graham's Hydra with a fuseless "Viborg" Europlug.

Is this safe, or should I just make do with an adaptor?

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by ChrisSU

UK regs absolutely require a fused plug, so an unfused european plug, used in the UK, would almost certainly be dangerous and non-compliant. If you are in Europe, you may be OK.

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Finkfan

Hi Mike. I take it that because you're thinking of changing from a UK plug to a Euro you not in the UK? As Chris said UK law requires 13A plugs to be fused. 

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk
ChrisSU posted:

UK regs absolutely require a fused plug, so an unfused european plug, used in the UK, would almost certainly be dangerous and non-compliant. If you are in Europe, you may be OK.

Chris, not quite, although more unusual now in general domestic settings, BS546 Type M and Type D plugs are permitted as long as the socket has shuttered holes .. and are more common  in some specific applications. In case you are wondering BS546 Type M (13 Amps) and Type D (5 Amps)  non fused round pin mains plugs, and they preceded the significantly more common the BS1363 fused rectangular pin sockets.. You may see round pin plugs and sockets more frequently in new UK installations in hotel rooms etc for remote switched  lighting etc... but of course these are very different in design to the Euro plug and socket.

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Mike1951

I'm in Spain. Thanks for the above, fellows, but what I really want to know is, by replacing my 3-pin 10-amp fused UK plug with a two-pin unfused Europlug, (given a radial, not ring supply) am I running any risks?

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Well Naim equipment does need to be earthed for it to function at its best and possibly even to meet its regulation requirement, so that would exclude a two pin mains un earned plug and socket. Best drop an email to Naim support...

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Finkfan

Are the plugs and sockets in Europe still earthed via an earth tab on plug and socket rather than a pin on the plug?

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Adam Zielinski
Mike1951 posted:

I'm in Spain. Thanks for the above, fellows, but what I really want to know is, by replacing my 3-pin 10-amp fused UK plug with a two-pin unfused Europlug, (given a radial, not ring supply) am I running any risks?

I think it would be either a German-style or French-style Shucko socket if in Spain.

Genuine Naim PowerLine uses a Furutech plug, which will handle both types of sockets. Naim boxes do need to be earthed.

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Adam Zielinski
Finkfan posted:

Are the plugs and sockets in Europe still earthed via an earth tab on plug and socket rather than a pin on the plug?

Both - in the majority of continental European countires. Exceptions being: Switzerland, Italy, Liechtenstein.

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Mike1951

Yes the plug is earthed.

Is the lack of fuse a problem?

Someone must know the answer to this...

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Mike-B
Mike1951 posted:

I'm in Spain. Thanks for the above, fellows, but what I really want to know is, by replacing my 3-pin 10-amp fused UK plug with a two-pin unfused Europlug, (given a radial, not ring supply) am I running any risks?

Its OK to replace a fused UK 13a plug with a European plug.    UK "13a" fused plugs are specific to the UK ring main system,  In Europe (& most of the world)  the  in-room sockets are on a radial power supply system thats fused (normally 16amp) at the properties fuse (RCD) board.     

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Adam Zielinski
Mike1951 posted:

Yes the plug is earthed.

Is the lack of fuse a problem?

Someone must know the answer to this...

I have not seen a fused European plug before. 

But - tripple check the Spanish regulations if in doubt. 

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Mike1951

Thanks Mike-B.

Posted on: 19 August 2017 by Mike-B
Adam Zielinski posted:

But - tripple check the Spanish regulations if in doubt. 

Spain uses 3x plug/socket types

"Type C" CEE 7/16 Europlug,  this is the 2-pin variant.        

"Type F" German CEE 7/4 "Schuko" & "Type E" French CEE 7/5,  both are 2 pin plus earth.  The earth connection on the CEE 7/4 has 2x edge 'grounding clips', the CEE 7/5 plug has a female socket connection.  Plugs are available that fit all socket types - see pic