Super Lumina trial

Hungryhalibut posted:

It's easy to be cynical. If people don't want to buy these expensive cables, then don't. But why moan about their very existence?

Some folks like to moan because they want to invalidate the experiences of those who heard a significant difference with all these costly cables. Although these group of people may not have experience with the cables, they appear to want to impose the idea that these cables will not make an ounce of difference (or very small difference) and regard those who think otherwise as @#@&.

You can't prevent the moaning as everyone has their own beliefs or opinions and for the fact that some just like to moan.

ryder. posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

It's easy to be cynical. If people don't want to buy these expensive cables, then don't. But why moan about their very existence?

Some folks like to moan because they want to invalidate the experiences of those who heard a significant difference with all these costly cables. Although these group of people may not have experience with the cables, they appear to want to impose the idea that these cables will not make an ounce of difference (or very small difference) and regard those who think otherwise as @#@&.

You can't prevent the moaning as everyone has their own beliefs or opinions and for the fact that some just like to moan.

I hear you loud and clear!

In fact, the Naim Forum was part of this Group!

From the Active 500 Club, down to the Nap 100. 

Why, because Naim didn't buy into these posh Interconnects and Speaker Cables.

Way back in 2014, the Active 500 Club was rocking Naim's Standard ICs and Naca A5.

But Naim realized that these Cables can make a substantial difference in SQ.

Hence, the DR & SL Technologies!

I've been a believer, that Cables can make a difference.

The Final Link!

"Why do we need Better Cables?

naim have always known that cables make a difference 

Otherwise they would not insist that we absolutely must use Naim only SNAIC and Burndy, and also NACA5 and still till now only Superlumina as a speaker upgrade cable.

They also advise to get the naim intended performance to use Naim only interconnects.

analogmusic posted:

naim have always known that cables make a difference 

Otherwise they would not insist that we absolutely must use Naim only SNAIC and Burndy, and also NACA5 and still till now only Superlumina as a speaker upgrade cable.

They also advise to get the naim intended performance to use Naim only interconnects.

Right you are again: Analogmusic!

Naim Forum 2004:

"I spent many months toying with Chord, Nordost and the rest. Each time I thought - hang on I'll just try the NAC A5 back in to see out of interest, same with interconnects - guess what - each time I thought BLOODY HELL that’s how it should sound and went back to the standard - something may sound "improved" but every time I've waited a few weeks - gone back to the Naim stuff and the magic comes back.
Martin
Now all standard mains, interconnect and speaker cable (and its cheap as well)"

Guess what, same conversation in 2014:

Allante93!

PS. I'm no moaner,  I believe in better cables!

The same as you Analog! 

When I tried a SL between CDX2/555ps and 282 I could hear the gains but something important was lost, playing through SC/250/NBLs. Since then the estimation of how long SL takes to run in has increased and I've changed my amps to 552/500 so a reassesment might be worth doing, however...

The digital front end currently involves a Rega DAC, I won't be using SL with that but I'm awaiting developments. I would have bought an NDS but just don't feel any urgency. That leaves the turntable as a possible source via a superline/SC, that is good enough to warrant the cost of SL all the way through but Naim don't make the speaker cable with a suitable plug for my NBLs (no room for bananas) so the speaker cable isn't viable, there is also various reports that an analog front end doesn't gain that much and that the DIN to Canon cable isn't the best one to do first. That leaves the possibility to try an interconnect again when I get round to an NDS (or its replacement if that happens first). They might have replaced SL too by then.

I use SL cables on my SL2s. I have them 5" from the wall, which is where they were when I had A5, and the distance I found to be optimal. When I tried SL I had already decided that I would not move the speakers further forward, and that if the SL did not fit I would not try it. But by tipping the speakers forward I was able to fit the plugs ok. The wires are very floppy and they bend tightly so that they miss the wall by 1mm. I spoke to Naim about NBLs once and they suggested that they be positioned 6" from the wall, which with their 18" depth made them too big for me to accommodate. Anyway, you don't have to think that you can't try the cables. 

My experience with sl between 272 and 250dr did not impress me .... I thought the witch hat was almost as good.... and I sold the sl. I thought the 3m speaker cables were excellent with the 250dr..... and worth while....

My experience with sl between 272 and 250dr impressed me .... I thought the witch hat was nowhere near as good.... and I sold the witch hat. I thought the 3m speaker cables were excellent with the 250dr..... and worth while

I am probably one of the few people here, that has had a harder time justifying the price of the power supplies, at least  the 555 that costs more than my Ndac or the cd x2. I am not sure I would have paid the regular price for a 555, but fortunately I was able to pick of a used 555 for a very good price a few years ago. And then there are the people that use to 555s on the cd 555 or nds!!!!! b

Claus 

Allante93 posted:

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Think of it as an Hybrid between Flat Earth & Round Earth!
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Elliptical Earth?

Ovoid Earth?

Geoid?

s.

Simon C posted:

Geoid?

 

s.

That might be a little to far to the right!

More descriptive of my second System:

Primare Pre 30 > Arcam P1 Mono Blocks > 

Rosewood Vienna Acoustic Baby Grands

Allante93!

PS. I Find a non Naim 2nd System, keeps one grounded, and intact with the Evolving Naim Sound!

I hear you Hugh! Elliptical Earth!

Allante93 posted:

I hear you Hugh! Elliptical Earth!

BTW, just a point; it's Huge (because I'm quite small of stature!  )...  I'm not actually Hugh!

But it's no problem at all, just an observation.  I'm not offended (my father was Hugh, and I have great respect for him). 

Huge posted:

Allante93 posted:

I hear you Hugh! Elliptical Earth!

BTW, just a point; it's Huge...  I'm not actually Hugh!

But it's no problem, just an observation. 

Got it, like the Donald, really Huge, Bigly!

LOL! 

Allante93!

PS. The Big League!

Hi HH maybe I did not give the SL enough time - I had it in about 3 months ..... and it never improved....

So after a 3 month trial you brought in a guilty verdict.

Three months?! Differences and positive ones were there from the start for me. Perhaps I'm easier to please

ryder. posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

It's easy to be cynical. If people don't want to buy these expensive cables, then don't. But why moan about their very existence?

Some folks like to moan because they want to invalidate the experiences of those who heard a significant difference with all these costly cables. Although these group of people may not have experience with the cables, they appear to want to impose the idea that these cables will not make an ounce of difference (or very small difference) and regard those who think otherwise as @#@&.

You can't prevent the moaning as everyone has their own beliefs or opinions and for the fact that some just like to moan.

Theses cables make all the difference.. So for me, in my modest system, "Cables first" .. I tried a £1980 interconnect with an old, tired DVD player... Outrages but still the best I've ever heard.

There are several people who have tried expensive cables and  not noticed any difference or only a minor difference or noticed a different presentation which they felt had as many downsides or upsides. I totally respect their opinion; it is as valid as mine which is the opposite - with my ears in my system I have heard improvements which equalled and sometimes exceeded black box upgrades. I have no doubt it is system and ear dependent, but in my case it was not a placebo, because my expectation and desire was that an expensive cable would make minimal difference, but it did.

What I can't be arsed with is people who have never listened assuming that it's just not possible that a cable can make such a difference. They add absolutely nothing to the discussion.

In my situation ... the main reason i sold the SL between 272/250dr ....  I was about to buy a nap300 - but managed to by a nap500 for not allot more (both are twin cable supply feeds).......... hence cable redundant + extra funds.  In the mean time I switched back to the witch hat cable and was surprised how good it was. I have noted - others have stated the super lumina cable between pre and power needs a considerable run in period............

Richieroo posted:

In my situation ... the main reason i sold the SL between 272/250dr ....  I was about to buy a nap300 - but managed to by a nap500 for not allot more (both are twin cable supply feeds).......... hence cable redundant + extra funds.  In the mean time I switched back to the witch hat cable and was surprised how good it was. I have noted - others have stated the super lumina cable between pre and power needs a considerable run in period............

Well, look what you started Richieroo, 245 replies and still counting! 

The SL Technologies, can touch a nerve, at the asking prices. However, me for one, I think these Posh Cables should only be considered, after one has decided on his/her end-game System!

The Final Link!

How it impacts one's System:

272/250

282/250

252/300

500 Series

Note: The SL Technologies were designed for the Statement, However, are equally at home with the Classic & 500 Series.

Allante93!

PS. The Advanced Technologies in the Cable Industries, have trickled down to entry level Cables, within leading Cable Manufacturers.

Todays entry level Cables, may compare to Reference Cables 10 years ago!

Hi-Line ~ 2006!

Richieroo posted:

In my situation ... the main reason i sold the SL between 272/250dr ....  I was about to buy a nap300 - but managed to by a nap500 for not allot more (both are twin cable supply feeds).......... hence cable redundant + extra funds.  In the mean time I switched back to the witch hat cable and was surprised how good it was. I have noted - others have stated the super lumina cable between pre and power needs a considerable run in period............

well it does sound good out of the box, but gets considerably better with usage.

Yes that's why I have bought audio t's demo cable.. .all run in nicely....and it sounds great.

Just added my 4m SL speaker cable that I been running in on the upstairs system from r two weeks. It replaces the 5m demo cable I have had for 2-3 months.

My dealer told me that Naim suggest the optimum length is 3.5m and therefore 4m should be better than 5m as well as being a good bit cheaper.

First impressions are that the sound is more exciting and much more to my liking. Difficult to draw final conclusions at the moment because the SL 2xDIN to XLR is still running in, so who knows where we will be in 6 months. Both Vinyl and CD sources have SL as well. 

Some have likened the improvement to a black box upgrade. I have only tried 250DR to 300DR, but I would say that the full SL loom gives you a quality of sound (stage) that I did not get from the Poweramp upgrade because the standard interconnects and speaker cable were getting in the way of what the boxes could do.

Phil

Filipe posted:

Just added my 4m SL speaker cable that I been running in on the upstairs system from r two weeks. It replaces the 5m demo cable I have had for 2-3 months.

My dealer told me that Naim suggest the optimum length is 3.5m and therefore 4m should be better than 5m as well as being a good bit cheaper.

First impressions are that the sound is more exciting and much more to my liking. Difficult to draw final conclusions at the moment because the SL 2xDIN to XLR is still running in, so who knows where we will be in 6 months. Both Vinyl and CD sources have SL as well. 

Some have likened the improvement to a black box upgrade. I have only tried 250DR to 300DR, but I would say that the full SL loom gives you a quality of sound (stage) that I did not get from the Poweramp upgrade because the standard interconnects and speaker cable were getting in the way of what the boxes could do.

Phil

 

 

If you are going to do it, do it right!

282/SCDR>300DR Full Loom!

Fraim or Fraimlite?

Nice System!

Enjoy your Music!

Allante93!