Super Lumina trial

ALAN. Exactly!!!! It's perfect till nail say it's not. My point exactly. You can get different burndies elsewhere. 

RICHARD DANE ADMINISTRATOR
9/9/16 11:41 AM

Non-Naim interconnects, speaker cables etc.. no problem. However SNAICs and Burndys carry DC power between kit and getting this even a little bit wrong means, at best, compromised performance, and at worst, potentially catastrophic consequences.  Naim's view is that using anything other than Naim built SNAICs and Burndys constitutes an unauthorised modification and puts your system at potential risk.

One could get Snake bitten!  

ALLANTE93 MEMBER
10/31/16 10:19 AM

Innocent Bystander posted:
Ah, the age-old interesting question: do cables really change with time, or is it people getting used to something that maybe sounds different, either learning to like it, even if it sounds worse, or justifying the expenditure, regardless of whether the difference is neutral or negative......

Perhaps the only Reptile that can adapt to the Naim's ecosystem, is the King Snaic.

That being said, the Reptiles that belong to the SL Family, can only perform at it's best in a familiar environment.

That being the Full Loom!

Loom River, drifting from Statement Hills!

Just some Thoughts.

Allante93!

It appears we have covered every topic possible, going for a walk! 

The Forum at its Best, Informative Mode! 

Allante93! 

Having used Chord SuperSarum interconnect for a while, I did try a (run in) SL betwixt Chord DAC and 552, but it really did not work for me. If you're up for making this sort of investment it really is best to try the alternatives.

Allante93 posted:

RICHARD DANE ADMINISTRATOR
9/9/16 11:41 AM

Non-Naim interconnects, speaker cables etc.. no problem. However SNAICs and Burndys carry DC power between kit and getting this even a little bit wrong means, at best, compromised performance, and at worst, potentially catastrophic consequences.  Naim's view is that using anything other than Naim built SNAICs and Burndys constitutes an unauthorised modification and puts your system at potential risk.

One could get Snake bitten!  

i have chord din snaic, signature tuned array, and they work very well.  Chord can make any cable you want.  They make me a special cable to connect my tube preamp with the nap 300dr. But it was not so easy.  I was not already been bitten....

True Blue posted:

I do get upset sometimes. I love my name gear I love the standard interconnects. I enjoyed the difference a hi line made. I was gobsmacked at the difference a chord indigo made.  The reason I get upset is the same people that said standard interconnects and  naca5 are great and no other cable is the same are now the same people that have been brainwashed because now maim say they make a difference. It's just marketing. If you have a full loom of anything it will have synergy whether that be witch hat chord or naim.

The only lt thing you can guarentee when purchasing the sl is that you are hearing what animal want you to hear. 

It's amazing all the standard cables were good enough until naim jumped on the bandwagon. 

 

 

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I wouldn't get upset about it.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

True Blue posted:

I do get upset sometimes. I love my name gear I love the standard interconnects. I enjoyed the difference a hi line made. I was gobsmacked at the difference a chord indigo made.  The reason I get upset is the same people that said standard interconnects and  naca5 are great and no other cable is the same are now the same people that have been brainwashed because now naim say they make a difference. It's just marketing. If you have a full loom of anything it will have synergy whether that be witch hat chord or naim.

The only lt thing you can guarentee when purchasing the sl is that you are hearing what animal want you to hear. 

It's amazing all the standard cables were good enough until naim jumped on the bandwagon. 

I wouldn't get upset about it.

I would relax and listen to some cables music  

Nothing like a nice walk, but to be fair to Naim:

"During the development of Statement, our flagship amplification system, our engineers realised that they would need to design a whole new range of high-performance cables for it to reach its true potential.  

analogmusic posted:

And indeed the chord chrysalis sounds and looks almost identical to the naim standard RCA to Din !

That's because it's made for Naim by Chord.

By the way, the posters who stated that SL cables are made by Vertere are absolutely correct! If my dealer is to be believed, just like Seas and Scanspeak manufacture drivers for Kudos, Naim, and a host of others. Nothing to be ashamed of, just the way some products are made.

If I may, I'm not going to say that if you hear a huge difference in cables is not what you truly hear or believe, that I myself have never heard such drastic differences, I really wish I could, but in all honesty, I never could tell much difference between cables. Differences do exist, but they have never been anything more than very slight.

I do think there are synergies with certain cables and electronics, and some amplifiers can go into oscillation with some cables, which is why I personally stick with Naca5 for my amplifier, that, and the fact that it sounds really good in my system.

 That's how I base my buying decisions. But I can't help but think there are other things that come into play when people purchase such high cost cables, whether it's a placebo effect, or to seek justification from others for spending such amounts on cables, it impresses others, whatever, I really believe that once somebody replaces the standard Naim cables with these high cost alternatives that they truly convince themselves that the system will never sound right unless they purchase these cables. When in reality you can achieve the same thing sonically that impressed you so much compared to the standard Naim cables by auditioning much cheaper alternative cables than the high priced eye candy. 

Just my opinion!

That's a bit of a generalization and insinuating I'm stupid to have bought a hi end vertere interconnect

it makes a differenence

more 3D sounstage

more dynamic

on the Metallica track the opening drum "the god that fails" had more attack energy and just makes it much more realistic and enjoyable

exactly as vertere promised.

expensive? Yes !!!

but  worth it ? Definitely it sounds like I got a black box upgrade.

Never did I say anyone is stupid, I never would insinuate that, all I stated is that there are other things that come into play when purchases are made other than for strictly sonic reasons.

I only buy hi end cables for only Sonic reasons. 

Nobody here wants to spend money on a cable for ANY other reason. 

A wise man, once told me:

Your money may be long, but life is short.

Enjoy the moment!

Eat, Drink, and Enjoy your Music!

Allante93!

PS. It's only Money!

The real  wealth is Health! 

"The most beautiful things are not associated with money; they are memories and moments. If you don't celebrate those, they can pass you by.

Alek Wek"

Alante93 ..... too true

Well, whatever the reason I'm extremely happy with SL

True Blue posted:

I do get upset sometimes. I love my name gear I love the standard interconnects. I enjoyed the difference a hi line made. I was gobsmacked at the difference a chord indigo made.  The reason I get upset is the same people that said standard interconnects and  naca5 are great and no other cable is the same are now the same people that have been brainwashed because now maim say they make a difference. It's just marketing. If you have a full loom of anything it will have synergy whether that be witch hat chord or naim.

The only lt thing you can guarentee when purchasing the sl is that you are hearing what animal want you to hear. 

It's amazing all the standard cables were good enough until naim jumped on the bandwagon. 

 

 

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I understand where you're coming from, but ultimately I have to disagree at least in part.

The amount of money we have to spend on HiFi varies and even the cheapest Naim based system is relatively expensive. Many forum members will have scrimped, saved and sacrificed to be able to afford the system they now have and to then be told that they should buy expensive cables to get the best out of it feels like a kick in the teeth when they'd rather have a holiday, a new car or 100 CDs/LPs. I replaced a Naim kettle lead with a single Chord Sarum power lead (the original version which I think was called Tuned Aray and has since been upgraded twice) with a more than healthy degree of scepticism. The improvement was of a similar magnitude to Linn Karin/Numerik to CDX2/XPS, NAP180 to NAP300 and not that far off NAC82 to NAC552 and CDX2/XPS to CD555/555PS. If money is tight this is not what you want to hear, but unless you've actually tried it don't claim it's not true. And I think there are another group of people (perhaps with less financial limitations) who are blinkered to the possibility that a cable can make as much of a difference as a box.

Bryce Curdy posted:

True Blue posted:

I do get upset sometimes. I love my name gear I love the standard interconnects. I enjoyed the difference a hi line made. I was gobsmacked at the difference a chord indigo made.  The reason I get upset is the same people that said standard interconnects and  naca5 are great and no other cable is the same are now the same people that have been brainwashed because now maim say they make a difference. It's just marketing. If you have a full loom of anything it will have synergy whether that be witch hat chord or naim.

The only lt thing you can guarentee when purchasing the sl is that you are hearing what animal want you to hear. 

It's amazing all the standard cables were good enough until naim jumped on the bandwagon. 

 

 

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I understand where you're coming from, but ultimately I have to disagree at least in part.

The amount of money we have to spend on HiFi varies and even the cheapest Naim based system is relatively expensive. Many forum members will have scrimped, saved and sacrificed to be able to afford the system they now have and to then be told that they should buy expensive cables to get the best out of it feels like a kick in the teeth when they'd rather have a holiday, a new car or 100 CDs/LPs. I replaced a Naim kettle lead with a single Chord Sarum power lead (the original version which I think was called Tuned Aray and has since been upgraded twice) with a more than healthy degree of scepticism. The improvement was of a similar magnitude to Linn Karin/Numerik to CDX2/XPS, NAP180 to NAP300 and not that far off NAC82 to NAC552 and CDX2/XPS to CD555/555PS. If money is tight this is not what you want to hear, but unless you've actually tried it don't claim it's not true. And I think there are another group of people (perhaps with less financial limitations) who are blinkered to the possibility that a cable can make as much of a difference as a box.

The difference between an 82 and 552?  I don't believe I just read that.

But have you tried it ?

a bit like being a virgin and reading about sex

Can cables make an improvement to the sound of your system?

It's not difficult.

Swapping over an interconnect is one of the simplest things you can do.

Listen to a track.  Swap over the cables and listen again.  Ta dah!! Is there a difference?  Is it an improvement?  Is it all snake oil.

Listen and decide.

When I first experimented it was with a hi-line for my cds3 swapped over from the standard lavender cable.  The difference was incredible.  The clarity improved tremendously.  Now you may wish to have more time to decide if all this additional clarity is a good thing or if it causes some sort of sonic imbalance which you may not favour.  But really, ten minutes of your precious time is all you need to decide if there is no difference, a slight difference, a huge difference and whether this then warrants spending a bit more time reaching a well considered conclusion.

Peter

PS I care not if Naim source the cables from another manufacturer and apply their connectors in house or have the supplier carry out the fitting.  As long as the performance is complying with the Naim specification requirements, that's sufficient for me.  I was merely curious if it were the case.

Naim receives the Superlumina cable from their supplier, and terminate in house as I understand.

Just like Naim receive their torroid transformers, and aluminium cases from the respective suppliers.

As I recall reading on this forum, it is the same factory that supply the cables to Vertere and Naim, rather than Vertere being the supplier.

Different specs/sound/look/insulation of cables.

I like live sound and dynamics of Vertere interconnects.

Plus you have Vertere entry level DFI which doesn't cost lot of money.

As a relative newcomer to this forum it fascinates me how often I seem to read the same, or very similar threads - talk about Groundhog Day! Some of you old timers must feel like Bill Murray.