Super Lumina trial

Spot on Sir. My ears were my guide not the price tag plus a firm desire not to have my room looking like the National Grid on a bad day

Hungryhalibut posted:

It's easy to be cynical. If people don't want to buy these expensive cables, then don't. But why moan about their very existence?

It's called an opinion, and you should know very well about them, as you seem to have quite the opinion on a number of topics!

The are of course opinions and informed opinions...I tend to favour the latter

This has been entertaining reading.  Personally, I wonder if what irritates the SL unconvinced is the idea that it is 'as bigger difference as adding / changing a black box'.  I'm not necessarily arguing with that relative to the systems SL owners have, but I would say is that for that to be true, in a positive sense, the foundation has to be right to start with.  As Howard Marks once said of weed 'It enhances what I like'.  I would suggest that neither weed, nor SL, will transform something that is unfavourable, just OK, pretty good, but with some complaints, into something demonstrably better in the same way that a change of box and / or speakers can in different circumstances.  Whether you have a budget, or kick-ass-could-spend-no-more-if-I-was-Bill-Gates system, cables and mains tweaks can enhance it, or damage it, but never fundamentally transform it.  IMO!

Good to see a Howard Marks quote in a hifi thread!

Gary

Ravenswood10 posted:

The are of course opinions and informed opinions...I tend to favour the latter

I see, it's only an informed opinion if it agrees with yours.

fathings cat posted:

Good to see a Howard Marks quote in a hifi thread!

Gary

And why not?  I'm pretty sure a lot of forum members know what he meant.  Either that, or they really are just lunatics.

Indeed, I met him at a book signing in Norwich - it was 11.00am and he sat there with a bottle of whisky which he slowly consumed whilst signing books, he made very little sense! 

Gary

fathings cat posted:

Indeed, I met him at a book signing in Norwich - it was 11.00am and he sat there with a bottle of whisky which he slowly consumed whilst signing books, he made very little sense! 

Gary

Yeah, that seems predictable.  Further confirmation that he'd fit right in around here. ;-)

I needed a stiff drink after forking out.....but for me it was worth it ;-)

it's a mindset shift, I never use to believe in expensive cables, but now I am a cable believer.

I still need that red bull drink before spending and after when it is time to pay the credit card bill 

i have SL  between NDS and 552 and also snaxo SL between 552PS and snaxo supercap. these cables enhanced musical enjoyment of my system substantially. i have no idea whether other cables could have done the same, better or worse -- but I don't really care either.

FWIW, my NAT01 uses 'ordinary' lavender 5-5, so does my LP12/superline (4-5DIN) -- and i am very happy with these sources.

(un)fortunately, i cannot afford SL DIN-XLR and 4 lengths of 7m SL speaker cable -- so i guess where i am is the end of the SL road for me. if i could afford them, of course i would have got them by now for sure.

the above makes entertaining reading -- but at the end of the day, trying to argue about specific personal preferences seems rather futile to me... but i guess its all harmless banter anyhow...

enjoy

ken

I'm like Analogue I used to think it implausible that changing a wire could really make a difference but having tried a few different things over the years and even bought a couple I'm good that changing wires can fine-tune an already well matched system.   But:

- IMO changing a wire will not fix a fundamentally floored system.

-  If you buy Naim boxes the wires in the box are entirely fit for purpose.

- it's sure as hell not worth getting stressed/emotional about let alone falling out with people.  

Regards,

Lindsay 

My lab coats and rose tinted glasses never arrived. However I still managed to perform the scientific experiment of using my SL IC and not using my SL IC then using my SL IC again. You can now all sleep well knowing my consensus scientific findings have proven that the SL IC has indeed improved SQ in my system. I will not be selling mine after all. Without the SL IC things seemed more compressed and less dynamic. Things have a bit more air around them with. Would I say it's worth the price? I'll leave that up to the individual to decide for himself. I would recommend that if you're thinking of adding one to have a demo and conduct your own experiment. Enjoy it. Now is there a SL SC thread? I bet those really will change things in combination with the SL IC.

spurrier sucks posted:

My lab coats and rose tinted glasses never arrived. However I still managed to perform the scientific experiment of using my SL IC and not using my SL IC then using my SL IC again. You can now all sleep well knowing my consensus ...... Now is there a SL SC thread? I bet those really will change things in combination with the SL IC.

Just on the side lines soaking up information, nice System you have!

Please help me, I still lack the complete understanding.

Is this correct:

With Naim's Marque Separates, in an Passive System, the Loom would consist of:

Front end Source ~ SL- 5 pin/Din > Pre

Tail end ~ 250 DR > SL- Speaker Cable

Last but not least, the Middle! 

The SL- XLR!

Is this IC between Pre & Amp?

And how does this Change with Naim's 4 Box Wonder?

Source?

Xps DR

272 Streaming Pre-Amp

250 DR Amp

Thanks In Advance!

Allante93!

PS. Just in case, I come into some $$$!

ken c posted:

i have SL  between NDS and 552 and also snaxo SL between 552PS and snaxo supercap. these cables enhanced musical enjoyment of my system substantially. i have no idea whether other cables could have done the same, better or worse -- but I don't really care either.

FWIW, my NAT01 uses 'ordinary' lavender 5-5, so does my LP12/superline (4-5DIN) -- and i am very happy with these sources.

(un)fortunately, i cannot afford SL DIN-XLR and 4 lengths of 7m SL speaker cable -- so i guess where i am is the end of the SL road for me. if i could afford them, of course i would have got them by now for sure.

the above makes entertaining reading -- but at the end of the day, trying to argue about specific personal preferences seems rather futile to me... but i guess its all harmless banter anyhow...

enjoy

ken

Get the speakers closer, 3m range

I think Lindsay has it spot on.

What is it about posh cables that divide some and enrage others. After all, they are only bits of wire. Maybe that is the issue. The perceived poor VFM combined with a healthy dose of scepticism.

It would be interesting to separate the SL sceptics from the SL advocates and compare these sets of individuals to those that have carried out a proper demo (preferably at home in their own system) and those that have only read about SL and are only aware of the price, to see if there is any commonality between these two sets of individuals.

I suspect however the waters would be muddied but those who have good middle to upper Classic systems that have been well set up and those that don't.

Emre posted:

Get the speakers closer, 3m range

not possible in my office  i'm afraid... :-(

enjoy

ken

The Strat (Fender) posted:

- it's sure as hell not worth getting stressed/emotional about let alone falling out with people. 

Hmmm - but isn't that part of the fun  

Tonight I decided not to listen to music but just look at the SL. The 'inky black' silence was something to behold

alanbass1 posted:

Tonight I decided not to listen to music but just look at the SL. The 'inky black' silence was something to behold

Mr. Alan Bass, I'm assuming with the 272, one only needs 1 SL IC.

The XLR IC!

If so, is it between your 555PS DR & 250 DR, or 272 & 250 DR?

Thanks In Advance!

Allante93!

PS. The Digital source can plug directly into the Digital Streaming Pre-Amp.

Is that correct?  

I have the DIN to XLR between my 272 and 250 DR and then the speaker cable. The 555 connects to the 272 via a Bundy. One of the advantages of a 272 based system is the lack of wires ��

Allante93 posted:

alanbass1 posted:

Tonight I decided not to listen to music but just look at the SL. The 'inky black' silence was something to behold

Mr. Alan Bass, I'm assuming with the 272, one only needs 1 SL IC.

The XLR IC!

If so, is it between your 555PS DR & 250 DR, or 272 & 250 DR?

Thanks In Advance!

Allante93!

PS. The Digital source can plug directly into the Digital Streaming Pre-Amp.

Is that correct?  

All you need to do is look at the manuals and connection guide. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

Allante93 posted:

alanbass1 posted:

Tonight I decided not to listen to music but just look at the SL. The 'inky black' silence was something to behold

Mr. Alan Bass, I'm assuming with the 272, one only needs 1 SL IC.

The XLR IC!

If so, is it between your 555PS DR & 250 DR, or 272 & 250 DR?

Thanks In Advance!

Allante93!

PS. The Digital source can plug directly into the Digital Streaming Pre-Amp.

Is that correct?  

All you need to do is look at the manuals and connection guide. 

{ Wow! }

Thanks Big Fish!

Just thought someone as well versed as yourself, could simply answer the question.

Sorry if I annoyed you HH!

The question was directed towards alanbass1!

Enjoy your music!

Allante93!

PS. I thought that was the purpose of the Forum, was to gather as much information as possible, and when it comes tome to unleash that hard cold cash, one can make a better decision!

That's all HH!

Have a nice Day!

Allante93 posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Allante93 posted:

alanbass1 posted:

Tonight I decided not to listen to music but just look at the SL. The 'inky black' silence was something to behold

Mr. Alan Bass, I'm assuming with the 272, one only needs 1 SL IC.

The XLR IC!

If so, is it between your 555PS DR & 250 DR, or 272 & 250 DR?

Thanks In Advance!

Allante93!

PS. The Digital source can plug directly into the Digital Streaming Pre-Amp.

Is that correct?  

All you need to do is look at the manuals and connection guide. 

{ Wow! }

Thanks Big Fish!

Just thought someone as well versed as yourself, could simply answer the question.

Sorry if I annoyed you HH!

The question was directed towards alanbass1!

Enjoy your music!

Allante93!

PS. I thought that was the purpose of the Forum, was to gather as much information as possible, and when it comes tome to unleash that hard cold cash, one can make a better decision!

That's all HH!

Have a nice Day!

I wonder if he yells at the kids in the neighborhood to get off his lawn? HH Wilson?