Does putting a non-floaty SNAXO on an isolation platform or feet (still points, sorbothane etc) take it closer to floaty? If not, why not?

Naim have done the analysis to allow them to optimise the environment the sensitive internal electronics work in - Eg spring rates and brass mass provide mechanical isolation over the frequency range they want to isolate the circuit board. With trial and error methods (platforms and different damping materials), who knows what you'll achieve - maybe better, maybe worse.

sunbeamgls posted:

Does putting a non-floaty SNAXO on an isolation platform or feet (still points, sorbothane etc) take it closer to floaty? If not, why not?

Alternatively, what if Naim were to take a "floaty" snaxo chassis and instead of installing the Ovator snaxo PCB install, oh let us say, a 3 way standard snaxo pcb set up for DBLs  would it be a significant improvement over a standard non-floaty DBL snaxo?

Regards,

Willy

sunbeamgls posted:

Does putting a non-floaty SNAXO on an isolation platform or feet (still points, sorbothane etc) take it closer to floaty? If not, why not?

You beat me to it James n, but here it is:

We here you loud and clear!

Allante, AFAIK it's not possible as so much is different.

However I'm not an expert, I think it is more feasible to re-configure the Floaty Snaxo for 2-way non-Ovator speakers like the 606.

Having the Floaty Snaxo, I had the weird experience that it felt more like a source upgrade than a speaker upgrade. The music integrates so well and is balanced and transparent despite my simple source and pre-amp (to be improved asap).

Time to break the silence!

Apologies for leaving you all to connect the dots, We were awaiting confirmation of a few things before announcing in more detail what we will be showing on the end of the 272/555PS at our event on October the 14th...

Having just got off the phone with Derek of Kudos I can confirm we will be running the Titan 707 in active configuration using 2 x 250DR and the essential Snaxo fed by a Supercap DR. We will be happy to provide comparisons between active and passive 707's using both 250DR and 300DR amplifiers playing in the more "standard" passive mode

The new "baby brother" T606 will also be here fed by the 250DR and 300DR - only passive this time folks...

I cannot put a link on here but if you were able to register interest on our website that would be appreciated

Hope to see you soon

Cheers, Jack

Just to add here - because Jack cannot discuss further on the Kudos speakers (forum rules for trade members), if you have any queries about the speakers then please contact Audiobarn directly rather than asking on this thread. Thanks.

The Audiobarn posted:

Time to break the silence!

Apologies for leaving you all to connect the dots, We were awaiting confirmation of a few things before announcing in more detail what we will be showing on the end of the 272/555PS at our event on October the 14th...

Having just got off the phone with Derek of Kudos I can confirm we will be running the Titan 707 in active configuration using 2 x 250DR and the essential Snaxo fed by a Supercap DR. We will be happy to provide comparisons between active and passive 707's using both 250DR and 300DR amplifiers playing in the more "standard" passive mode

The new "baby brother" T606 will also be here fed by the 250DR and 300DR - only passive this time folks...

I cannot put a link on here but if you were able to register interest on our website that would be appreciated

Hope to see you soon

Cheers, Jack

@ Audiobarn:

Active 707s feed by 2 x 250 DRs

Snaxo 242 feed by SC DR (burndy)

Signal initiated with Naim's

Popular 272/555PS!

If that is correct, is the Snaxo Floaty?

Thanks In Advance!

Allante93!

PS. Thanks for breaking the silence!

Richard Dane posted:

Just to add here - because Jack cannot discuss further on the Kudos speakers (forum rules for trade members), if you have any queries about the speakers then please contact Audiobarn directly rather than asking on this thread. Thanks.

Got it!

Thanks Rich!

Allante93!

PS. Beautiful piece you done, concerning the 250, and how it ok, with the 282, but prefers the 252/552!

Hint those that prefer the 200 over the 250, it might be related to YOUR SPEAKERS!

I suppose if demand is there then the Kudos Snaxo will trickle down across the whole 'Active' Kudos range (Super and X0X) - you've got potentially 5 speakers that can be activated (6 if you count the future 505).  If you don't mind the extra boxes and cables then this could be an interesting avenue to explore.   

Well, it are extra boxes, but think of this: a full shoeboxed size active setup which brings the benefits of active:

Floaty Snaxo / Hicap DR / 2x Nap 100 / Dac V1 - buying new under GBP 10.000.

Even if the Dac V1 is substituted by a N272 - optionally with a 555PS, there are still only 3 or 4 shelves needed.

Active does not necessarily mean lots of space.

A passive 250 setup might be better though, and that's even fewer boxes. And even fewer wires. 

What I'd really like is the ability to add an active card to the 272 and be able to run two 250s from it. Then 272A, XPS, 2x250 would do it all with four boxes. It won't happen, but I can dream. 

Interesting concept Nigel - with Naim's increased use of DSP that could be become reality with future digital pre-amp architectures. Flexible outputs where you could easily configure the power amp signal to be full range for a passive system or high pass / low pass with the crossover function implemented digitally for multiple amp active systems (with suitable speakers of course)

A bit like the 42XO that Naim made about 35 years ago. But digital. Back to the future. 

This sounds Linnesque.

Hungryhalibut posted:

A bit like the 42XO that Naim made about 35 years ago. But digital. Back to the future. 

That's the one. I'll fire up the Delorean ...

Allante93 posted:

The Audiobarn posted:

Time to break the silence!

Apologies for leaving you all to connect the dots, We were awaiting confirmation of a few things before announcing in more detail what we will be showing on the end of the 272/555PS at our event on October the 14th...

Having just got off the phone with Derek of Kudos I can confirm we will be running the Titan 707 in active configuration using 2 x 250DR and the essential Snaxo fed by a Supercap DR. We will be happy to provide comparisons between active and passive 707's using both 250DR and 300DR amplifiers playing in the more "standard" passive mode

The new "baby brother" T606 will also be here fed by the 250DR and 300DR - only passive this time folks...

I cannot put a link on here but if you were able to register interest on our website that would be appreciated

Hope to see you soon

Cheers, Jack

@ Audiobarn:

Active 707s feed by 2 x 250 DRs

Snaxo 242 feed by SC DR (burndy)

Signal initiated with Naim's

Popular 272/555PS!

If that is correct, is the Snaxo Floaty?

Thanks In Advance!

Allante93!

PS. Thanks for breaking the silence!

 

No worries, I couldnt be on mute forever!

Absolutely correct setup although I may dissappoint you with the Snaxo floatiness...

Regards

Jack

Hungryhalibut posted:

A passive 250 setup might be better though, and that's even fewer boxes. And even fewer wires. 

What I'd really like is the ability to add an active card to the 272 and be able to run two 250s from it. Then 272A, XPS, 2x250 would do it all with four boxes. It won't happen, but I can dream. 

Wow!  Active Naim! Snaxo!

In 2007 Naim Debut it's Reference CDP: 

A Trio of 250.2s  feeding the iconic DBLs, fronted with a {282}.

Fast Forward 10 years: Audiobarn.

{272}>2 x 250DR> 707s

Wish I could join you guys!

Enjoy the Show!

Allante93!

PS. If it ain't a 272, it just won't do!

The Big Fish!

Allante93 posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

A passive 250 setup might be better though, and that's even fewer boxes. And even fewer wires. 

What I'd really like is the ability to add an active card to the 272 and be able to run two 250s from it. Then 272A, XPS, 2x250 would do it all with four boxes. It won't happen, but I can dream. 

Wow!  Active Naim! Snaxo!

In 2007 Naim Debut it's Reference CDP: 

A Trio of 250.2s  feeding the iconic DBLs, fronted with a {282}.

Fast Forward 10 years: Audiobarn.

{272}>2 x 250DR> 707s

Wish I could join you guys!

Enjoy the Show!

Allante93!

PS. If it ain't a 272, it just won't do!

The Big Fish!

 

 

... well ... you could 'Float' to the queens side of the pond, Allante93!.

james n posted:

Interesting concept Nigel - with Naim's increased use of DSP that could be become reality with future digital pre-amp architectures. Flexible outputs where you could easily configure the power amp signal to be full range for a passive system or high pass / low pass with the crossover function implemented digitally for multiple amp active systems (with suitable speakers of course)

It would be good for the existing provider of such an excellent solution to have some competition.

sunbeamgls posted:

james n posted:

Interesting concept Nigel - with Naim's increased use of DSP that could be become reality with future digital pre-amp architectures. Flexible outputs where you could easily configure the power amp signal to be full range for a passive system or high pass / low pass with the crossover function implemented digitally for multiple amp active systems (with suitable speakers of course)

It would be good for the existing provider of such an excellent solution to have some competition.

Providers 

james n posted:

sunbeamgls posted:

james n posted:

Interesting concept Nigel - with Naim's increased use of DSP that could be become reality with future digital pre-amp architectures. Flexible outputs where you could easily configure the power amp signal to be full range for a passive system or high pass / low pass with the crossover function implemented digitally for multiple amp active systems (with suitable speakers of course)

It would be good for the existing provider of such an excellent solution to have some competition.

Providers 

Not when you include the word "excellent" 

sunbeamgls posted:

nigelb posted:

Thanks for the write up, very informative.

I am going to try and get along to the Audiobarn bash because I particularly want the hear the 606s and of course want to hear Naim active Kudos. I also hope they do the 300DR passive vs the 250DR active trick.

Do you know if the 606s are in final production form yet or are they still pre-production?

Sorry, I forgot to ask if they had the final production drivers or not.   Its been a long week and it didn't pop into my head to get the update. I do know they're still the only ones in existence though.

A quick chat with Kudos at Indulgence.  The T-606s at Acoustica last week have the final production drivers, but there are still a few "minor tweaks" to be sorted - these weren't specified, but I imagine stuff like the lining thickness or wadding packing density or crossover values or such aspects could be in the mix.

Still managed to forget to ask about floatiness though!

T-707s still sounding good today, but lacking a certain level of "oomph" and low end extension compared to active 250DRs.  Running with Primare electronics in passive form today.  Tidal was the main source, which is probably a significant contributor.