Vertere D-Fi USB Double!!!!

Damn 

wish I had not read this

im a big fan of vertere cables and love their USB for my mojo and Dave  but have the single dfi version

What do they cost?i have a Hugo 2 coming for demo soon.

£200. Not cheap. But they really do work. I wouldn't even entertain the single. If you go single you don't get half the dynamics/expression.

On reflection. Other cables sound 'different' to each other. The D-fi Double just sounds like music should. 

Very hard to explain. It's what I have been missing. Powerlines helped too.

It's clearly the fact that the Double separates the power chord of the USB away from the data. 

Was a real grin moment for me.

please stop, this is not good news for me.... I need 3 M USB for my Dave...

DAMN. Even more goodness from Mojo and Dave?

WOW...

I've been using what I guess is the iFi Audio equivalent, a Gemini cable, in combination with their iFi Mini USB supply and iGalvanic USB 3 galvanic isolator unit. This really works extremely well. The difference between this & a standard USB cable is truly astonishing - anyone who thinks USB cabling makes no difference really should give this a try. I'm not sure about the Vertere, but to use the Gemini cable does require use of the iFi supply, so difficult to make like-for-like comparisons, but the idea of separating the power & data lines seems a sound one.

ThatsNotMyNaim, Good to hear. What were the other cables you tried?

Anyone who tried Nordost or TQ USB Cables?

Curious, Black Dragon, Cinnamon, Forest, Silver Plus, Shawline TA, Sig TA, TQ black, about 10 stock cables including a playstation just for a laugh. I am sure I am forgetting some!

If it's a basic cable the rule of 'the shorter the better' absolutely applies. 15cm ideally.

Very interesting, I have to try!

Does the hugo2 need the 5v supply via the Usb cable. If it doesn't, omit it.

I recently noticed quite a loud hum coming from one of my speakers. I soon realised the culprit was a laptop power cable resting on top of my Chord Shawline RCA to XLR cable. I thought this cable was supposed to be adequately shielded and configured/wired to prevent such noise. Obviously not. This cable cost me around £350.

I ordered custom Mogami 2549 from Redco in the states with gold plated Neutrik and Rean connectors, silver solder, same wiring config. Cost a few dollars, shipping to UK was more expensive than the cable. Result, a smoother more organic sound, zero hum if laptop power cable touches it. I normally only run laptop on batteries anyway without mains connection for best sq but this exercise goes to show expensive isn't always better. I can say for sure that I prefer the Mogami cable and it offers better shielding from noise and interference than the Chord Shawline.

Regarding USB, I suspect the differences you hear with Hugo 2 are all to do with mains and rf noise. I simply use a new generation fanless macbook (nothing connected to mains to it such as ethernet) with Intona industrial usb Isolator and I am unable tell hear any difference with usb cables. I only use USB-IF certified cables.

There is a lot of snake oil out there. I'm done with expensive esoteric hifi cables.

fatcat posted:

Does the hugo2 need the 5v supply via the Usb cable. If it doesn't, omit it.

Yes it does require this for handshake only so you can't omit it. Not necessary anyway as it's isolated inside Hugo 2.

Halloween Man posted:

I ordered custom Mogami 2549 from Redco in the states with gold plated Neutrik and Rean connectors, silver solder, same wiring config. Cost a few dollars, shipping to UK was more expensive than the cable. Result, a smoother more organic sound, zero hum if laptop power cable touches it. I normally only run laptop on batteries anyway without mains connection for best sq but this exercise goes to show expensive isn't always better. I can say for sure that I prefer the Mogami cable and it offers better shielding from noise and interference than the Chord Shawline.

There is a lot of snake oil out there. I'm done with expensive esoteric hifi cables.

Mogami 2549's excellent stuff. All my DIN to XLRs are made of it, together with Neutrik XLR and Preh DINs, and preamp to SuperCap. A considerable improvement on the standard Naim cabling. You don't have to get it from the States, HHB are the UK stockists and an excellent supplier.

Tony, does HHB supply with DIN and XLR connectors as I am pretty useless with a soldering iron?

tonym posted:

Halloween Man posted:

I ordered custom Mogami 2549 from Redco in the states with gold plated Neutrik and Rean connectors, silver solder, same wiring config. Cost a few dollars, shipping to UK was more expensive than the cable. Result, a smoother more organic sound, zero hum if laptop power cable touches it. I normally only run laptop on batteries anyway without mains connection for best sq but this exercise goes to show expensive isn't always better. I can say for sure that I prefer the Mogami cable and it offers better shielding from noise and interference than the Chord Shawline.

There is a lot of snake oil out there. I'm done with expensive esoteric hifi cables.

Mogami 2549's excellent stuff. All my DIN to XLRs are made of it, together with Neutrik XLR and Preh DINs, and preamp to SuperCap. A considerable improvement on the standard Naim cabling. You don't have to get it from the States, HHB are the UK stockists and an excellent supplier.

Thanks Tony, good to know

Halloween Man posted:

tonym posted:

Halloween Man posted:

I ordered custom Mogami 2549 from Redco in the states with gold plated Neutrik and Rean connectors, silver solder, same wiring config. Cost a few dollars, shipping to UK was more expensive than the cable. Result, a smoother more organic sound, zero hum if laptop power cable touches it. I normally only run laptop on batteries anyway without mains connection for best sq but this exercise goes to show expensive isn't always better. I can say for sure that I prefer the Mogami cable and it offers better shielding from noise and interference than the Chord Shawline.

There is a lot of snake oil out there. I'm done with expensive esoteric hifi cables.

Mogami 2549's excellent stuff. All my DIN to XLRs are made of it, together with Neutrik XLR and Preh DINs, and preamp to SuperCap. A considerable improvement on the standard Naim cabling. You don't have to get it from the States, HHB are the UK stockists and an excellent supplier.

Thanks Tony, good to know

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Gazza posted:

Tony, does HHB supply with DIN and XLR connectors as I am pretty useless with a soldering iron?

Hi Gazza, I'm not sure - might be worth asking them. I think learning to solder's an easy skill to acquire, and is very useful indeed. It's also extremely satisfying! Just get a reasonably cheap soldering iron, some solder (not lead-free) & practice on a bit of circuit board (a scrap one, obviously!)  Plenty of tutorials on uTube.

OzK thanks will look up some videos first

What's the shortest length you can get? I did try the old version of the D-fi Double but didn't think it offered much more than the stock for the cost. Might be worth giving it a go...

Mayor West posted:

What's the shortest length you can get? I did try the old version of the D-fi Double but didn't think it offered much more than the stock for the cost. Might be worth giving it a go...

Strange. It's really taken my system to another level, Mayor.

Bass feels taught, punchy and satisfying. Highs are clear and grain free and the midrange is super engaging.

Beware though, if you have a small room and are happy with your bass performance then i would stay where you are.

The cable seems to upweight scale and thus bass with it. All positive for me but I can imagine it could unbalance in some rooms.

Impressive grip and solidity it offers in combination with great musicality and dynamics.

Now I want to try Vertere Pulse Array is it? Help!!