Chord Music in da House

Hmm the chord cables I've heard all the way till super aray are a bit ho hum sounding when it comes to dynamics. I agree with Chris Bell "nice" sounding cables. 

analogmusic posted:

Hmm the chord cables I've heard all the way till super aray are a bit ho hum sounding when it comes to dynamics. I agree with Chris Bell "nice" sounding cables. 

Not in my system, lots of dynamics. Yes, they do sound very nice indeed.

tonym posted:

analogmusic posted:

Hmm the chord cables I've heard all the way till super aray are a bit ho hum sounding when it comes to dynamics. I agree with Chris Bell "nice" sounding cables. 

Not in my system, lots of dynamics. Yes, they do sound very nice indeed.

Agreed.

I've had Signature TA IC's and Signature Reference speaker cables over the recent past. All were excellent and very not "ho hum"

I now have Shawline IC's (RCA - XLR) from my Chord TT to ATC SCM40A's, and for the money they are a massive bargain. These were a temporary measure until funds allowed for Signature TA but I'm now not sure I can justify another £2,000 as they are so good.

Chris Bell posted:

The Sarum was boring by comparison, same for the Sarum T and Super Array... they were “nice” but the Super Lumina dominated in a not so subtle way.

 

How extraordinary, i discovered the exact opposite in a dealer room demo with Sarum Super Aray vs Super lumina, and again found the Sarum to be noticeable superior and far preferable in sound realism, dynamics, and musical presentation during an extensive home demo.

However i'm  very impressed if you did an A-B-C-D [SSA, Sarum T,  SL, & Chord Music] home demo test of four different cable looms (?) ...must have taken quite a lot of time, but looks suspiciously like conclusions, to include fair judgement, of all more affordable cables can be blinded by the eclipsing magnificence of the Chord Music cables  

Debs

oh I don't know, it's stupid money for a cable that costs 3800 GBP per meter.

Better to spend that sort of money on black boxes or source improvements.

analogmusic posted:

Chris does the Chord music have the explosive dynamics of the Superlumina?

 

During the years I've heard tons of setups

Once, and only once (apart from live music) I recall a setup had explosive dynamics

It was really scaring TBH

Amplication was old Citation (Harman Kardon) speakers was some Klipschorn, cant remember sorce, it was decades ago.

Before cable magic and insane interconnect prices became modern

I think Van D.Hul was one of the first to realize there was a niche for business opportunity

Chord Co have been building on the Sarum concept for some years now with new version all too often, I understand if owners feel pissed off everytime a new version out for an extra $upgrade

Exiting if they follow the example and soon introduce "Music" enhanced mkII and so on.

analogmusic posted:

oh I don't know, it's stupid money for a cable that costs 3800 GBP per meter.

Better to spend that sort of money on black boxes or source improvements.

If you have Chris's wonderful system there are really no box upgrades to make, other than Statement. All these cables are silly money in the real world, and people spend more on a single box or some wire than others earn in a year. But it's individual choice and who is to say what represents value for money or a good use of resources? 

Muttonjef posted:

tonym posted:

analogmusic posted:

Hmm the chord cables I've heard all the way till super aray are a bit ho hum

I now have Shawline IC's (RCA - XLR) from my Chord TT to ATC SCM40A's, and for the money they are a massive bargain. 

 

Now thats very much interesting

Shawline for the masses, how much are these ?

"Ho hum" ?

Perol posted:

Muttonjef posted:

tonym posted:

analogmusic posted:

Hmm the chord cables I've heard all the way till super aray are a bit ho hum

I now have Shawline IC's (RCA - XLR) from my Chord TT to ATC SCM40A's, and for the money they are a massive bargain. 

 

Now thats very much interesting

Shawline for the masses, how much are these ?

 

"Ho hum" ?

 

 

Just googled it!

$360 per m

Extra m $130

USD, I think!

Allante93!

PS.Standard Interconnect Cable $225
#NAIMDIN5-DIN5 DIN5 to DIN5
#NAIMDIN4-DIN5 DIN4 to DIN5

Are Live Links and Price List ok, Naim?

Trying to follow Rules!

Even if one demo these fine Cables & Interconnects at there local Dealer, Keep in Mind:

SYSTEM DEPENDANT

also includes the sound Room, along with the electrical System that supplies the Black Boxes.

But Remember, not always, but usually.

There is a direct relationship between price & quality.

Home, Car, or your Hi-Fi System!

JMHO!

Allante93!

PS.

S1 Active 500s

Vs

282 Active 250s

Naim debut its Reference CDP at the 2007 CES Show.

Hi- Line, Standard Naim IC & Cabling, Snaxo 362, 3 x 250.2> DBLs!

https://youtu.be/AFzMuO3K3ZY

Allante93!

PS. Sure would love this rig in my living-room!

Wow! Things sure have changed during the last 10 years.

Naim Speakers, CD 555, and Posh Cables!

Chris Bell posted:

Parris Island is in South Carolina.  I live in Washington State... other side of the country.   :-) 

Chris, we live on the side of the Pond! LOL..

Just talked to my Cousin!

"We lived on Mercer Island.
One of our favorite restaurants is Bennett's. Also, in Seattle we love Dalia's."

Allante93!

PS. A Gentleman of your Pedigree, surely understands the relationship between:

PRICE & QUALITY

Chord Co have been building on the Sarum concept for some years now with new version all too often, I understand if owners feel pissed off everytime a new version out for an extra $upgrade

Some owners see it the other way around. You are still able to keep up with the enhancement if you feel it is worth it. SA T for sure is not a Music cable told by people who have heard it, but I am sure it will take my Sarum SA to another level. Is it worth the price, maybe maybe not. In the end only my ears and my  money can make that decition.

 

Claus  

 

I must admit although it was, in some ways, rather annoying and galling that Chord improved their cables so significantly by bringing out Sarum T so soon after the SSA came out, I am actually very pleased that they did. 

Hi Chris, very interesting to hear your conclusion about Music. It's just something very special, stupid price or not. 

Now, maybe you should try DIN-XLR...or the Speaker cable...and Links (no brainer for sure...)

:-)

//Jonas

Jonas Olofsson posted:

Hi Chris, very interesting to hear your conclusion about Music. It's just something very special, stupid price or not. 

Now, maybe you should try DIN-XLR...or the Speaker cable...and Links (no brainer for sure...)

:-)

//Jonas

Having tried both the DIN-XLRs and the speaker cable, I have to say they are truly exceptional.

Dave J posted:

Jonas Olofsson posted:

Hi Chris, very interesting to hear your conclusion about Music. It's just something very special, stupid price or not. 

Now, maybe you should try DIN-XLR...or the Speaker cable...and Links (no brainer for sure...)

:-)

//Jonas

Having

{tried}

both the DIN-XLRs and the speaker cable, I have to say they are truly exceptional.

Looking at your profile, It appears you have implemented the Full Loom into your System.

Assuming you implemented The Full Loom

Into your System in Stages, would you equate each Stage to a Black Box (BB) upgrade?

Stage 1 ~ Source

Stage 2 ~ XLR

Stage 3 ~ Speaker Cable

Allante93!

PS. I would imagine a Full Loom Of Music, would super-exceed, a single BB Upgrade!

HCDR > SCDR

252 > 552

250 DR > 300 DR

300 DR > 500 DR

BTW, Dave Nice System!

DIN to XLR Music cables were installed last night and the results are spectacular.  More of everything the IC did, it's like the noise floor of the system has dropped considerably. My system has a "fat" easy-going sound with delicate and layered high frequencies.  Everything sounds right without a hint of tension or edge.  I had a nice conversation with Nigel at Chord and he explained some of the technical aspects of the cable and why they think it sounds so good. Remarkable stuff that truly shows off how good Naim electronics are.   

I'd love to hear the speaker cable, but a 20' pair would run me $17,000.00 US.  Ouch.  

Yes, great they are! Try at least links for your Titans, they are surprisingly good too. 

I was a bit shocked (and I do believe I wrote about it on the Forum), when I got the speaker cables. Bl**dy amazing they are!

//Jonas

Allante93 posted:

Dave J posted:

Jonas Olofsson posted:

Hi Chris, very interesting to hear your conclusion about Music. It's just something very special, stupid price or not. 

Now, maybe you should try DIN-XLR...or the Speaker cable...and Links (no brainer for sure...)

:-)

//Jonas

Having

{tried}

both the DIN-XLRs and the speaker cable, I have to say they are truly exceptional.

Looking at your profile, It appears you have implemented the Full Loom into your System.

Assuming you implemented The Full Loom

Into your System in Stages, would you equate each Stage to a Black Box (BB) upgrade?

Stage 1 ~ Source

Stage 2 ~ XLR

Stage 3 ~ Speaker Cable

Allante93!

PS. I would imagine a Full Loom Of Music, would super-exceed, a single BB Upgrade!

HCDR > SCDR

252 > 552

250 DR > 300 DR

300 DR > 500 DR

BTW, Dave Nice System!

Thanks Allante93,

It's taken quite a few years to get to this stage - my first LP12 and 42/110 were nearly 40 years ago now!

Yes, I have gone pretty much Music full loom with the power cables remaining "only" Sarum Supers and due the T upgrade.

I certainly hadn't planned on upgrading to Music; I had put aside the budget - and I know this will cause a good deal of consternation - to buy a 500 and went to my dealer to compare my "old" 300 to a 300DR and a 500 (at that stage not a DR, to be fair). The 300 to DR was an absolutely easy decision to make but swapping to the 500 at that point, although really good, didn't make me need or, more importantly, want one. Yes, different of course, but I was really drawn by the 300DR upgrade in terms of its sheer eloquence.

What I really didn't expect though was how the addition of Music DIN-XLRs at the same session would quite simply transform things. Not in a black box upgrade way, which generally makes for a better sounding system, but in terms of a far more direct access to the musical performance and, as you say in some of your posts, The Why.

I had been using Super Sarums in the same application up till that point and they had soundly trounced SLs on a couple of previous occasions, but the Musics are ...well, just remarkable in what they give you. So then I tried Music on an LP12... and on a KDS... and it became a very expensive but incredibly rewarding day.

So, yes, rather better than a black box upgrade in my opinion - you simply don't get this type of improvement from a box, maybe with an Statement, but I've not done that test.

The inclusion of Music speaker cables earlier this year simply brought everything together and I think I'm now pretty well there. Actually, that's not quite true as I'm looking at an end-game set of speakers that work in my room and maybe just one Music power cable...

Hi Dave, Titans are my end game spreakers for sure. Maybe it's yours to? Please don't mention Music PL, hopefully they aren't like the rest of the Music family...

//Jonas

Actually Jonas, I know they are like the rest of the family - I heard a prototype (damn it!)

Yes, the smaller Titans are on the list; I'm due to compare 707s with 606s.

Ok, I'm sad to hear that ��...(Music)

My understanding is that 707 are closer to 808 then 606 are to 707 if that makes sense. 

//Jonas

Wish it weren't true but hey, maybe upgrading to Sarum T might be worth consideration in the interim?

I heard the first pair of 707s and they were epic. My only concern is how they would fit my listening room. As it stands, I don't think anyone has yet heard the finalised version of the 606, to date it's just been with a version of the S20 bass unit. If they're anything like a hyper S20 with Isobaric bass, they'll be very interesting and, as a domestic bonus, would easily be accommodated. We'll have to see.

I would highly recommend the Sarum T power cable  - a step up from the Sarum Super ARAY, but I've not heard the Music power cable.  

The production Kudos Titan 707s are gorgeous. I much preferred them to the prototype 606s BUT it was not a direct comparison - different source and different room.  To be continued when production 606s become available ...........