New speakers

Innocent Bystander posted:

TOBYJUG posted:

Yes. KEF speakers esp the Reference range have mostly a presentation in which the soundstage falls back behind the plane of them. Where many of the other brands that get a mention within this forum have a more Brit box forward presentation, that suits and flows in the same direction with Naim.   Apart from Dynaudio and Proac who seem to occupy that middle ground. In that they truthfully present what's in the recording.

My speakers present the sound in front, behind, above, and to the sides of the speakers - sometimes even to the side of me, all depending on what is playing (or presumably how it is recorded). Of course, I can't know what the spatial soind balance was as recorded/mastered, so I've no idea if it is exactly as in the recording.

Your one of the many who are not in need of new speakers then. Unlike the original poster of this thread.  

TOBYJUG posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

TOBYJUG posted:

Yes. KEF speakers esp the Reference range have mostly a presentation in which the soundstage falls back behind the plane of them. Where many of the other brands that get a mention within this forum have a more Brit box forward presentation, that suits and flows in the same direction with Naim.   Apart from Dynaudio and Proac who seem to occupy that middle ground. In that they truthfully present what's in the recording.

My speakers present the sound in front, behind, above, and to the sides of the speakers - sometimes even to the side of me, all depending on what is playing (or presumably how it is recorded). Of course, I can't know what the spatial soind balance was as recorded/mastered, so I've no idea if it is exactly as in the recording.

Your one of the many who are not in need of new speakers then. Unlike the original poster of this thread.  

Indeed - and actually I didn't need them when I bought my present ones in 18 months ago, as the previous ones were great, and not easy to beat (the B&Ws didn't manage to, nor the PMC 20-26s), but I had a memorial to buy.

hi Morgan -- it may help if you tell us about the qualities you want in a speaker: what matters most to you, sound-wise? what types of music do you like? what are the dimensions of your listening room and where would you place the speakers? what did you like about the Linn speakers you've had? would you prefer floorstanders or standmounts? that kind of thing.

--joe

Peakman posted:

For a couple of years I had KEF reference speakers but eventually replaced them.  My son has them now, so I still get a chance to listen to them but feel no slackening of my jaw when listening.  My current PMC Fact speakers are much more to my taste and communicate the music in a way which the KEFs never did.

"I have yet to hear of ONE listener (regardless of room acoustic it appears) that have not been slack-jawed after a listening session with the ref's.

pj"

So now you have.

Sorry.

Roger

Roger: What KEF's did you have -and now your son ?

I'm speaking of the current KEF Reference 1, 3 and 5's !

I owned a pair of KEF Reference 105.2's last century some time -nothing to write home about. Uhh, I' was thinking we were all in the here & now ? 

So, unless you reveal the year and model number of the ancient KEF's stuck within the family heirloom, there may very well be a bit of miscommunication here.

I suspect your jaw will slacken up once we get into the 21-st century -specifically from late 2014 when current KEF REF's were introduced.

pj 

joe9407 posted:

hi Morgan -- it may help if you tell us about the qualities you want in a speaker: what matters most to you, sound-wise? what types of music do you like? what are the dimensions of your listening room and where would you place the speakers? what did you like about the Linn speakers you've had? would you prefer floorstanders or standmounts? that kind of thing.

--joe

Hello! I listen to everything from jazz to black metal but i listen a lot on Dylan etc. I want rock and roll speakers , it should be fun listen to music. It must not be too cold and detailed sound, thats the worst thing i know. it may be tight and some warm sound and dry bass. Floorstanders or standmounts dosent matter. Im 2,5- 3m from the speakers.

/Morgan

In my opinion you should first listen before buying. But as you mentioned above, personally I think that Audio Physic Avanti (last model) might match your preferences.

Kacper

TOBYJUG posted:

In this day and age.   For a good price for a loudspeaker for a good system - think from 2k - you would have to try really hard in finding anything that sounded nothing less than great.   Unless it was a vintage speaker that cost many thousands of £s back in the day.

On a good day you could pick up a pair of B&W Matrix 800 for a good price.

Don't think I'd get them past my beloved.

Kacper posted:

In my opinion you should first listen before buying. But as you mentioned above, personally I think that Audio Physic Avanti (last model) might match your preferences.

 

Kacper

Yes i just talked to a naim dealer and he just heard naim and avanti and he said it was really, really good.

So hes going to send a pair for me to try.

Morgan J posted:

Kacper posted:

In my opinion you should first listen before buying. But as you mentioned above, personally I think that Audio Physic Avanti (last model) might match your preferences.

 

Kacper

Yes i just talked to a naim dealer and he just heard naim and avanti and he said it was really, really good.

So hes going to send a pair for me to try.

Yes indeed, Avanti's are definitely worth a try. 

Morgan J posted:

joe9407 posted:

hi Morgan -- it may help if you tell us about the qualities you want in a speaker: what matters most to you, sound-wise? what types of music do you like? what are the dimensions of your listening room and where would you place the speakers? what did you like about the Linn speakers you've had? would you prefer floorstanders or standmounts? that kind of thing.

--joe

Hello! I listen to everything from jazz to black metal but i listen a lot on Dylan etc. I want rock and roll speakers , it should be fun listen to music. It must not be too cold and detailed sound, thats the worst thing i know. it may be tight and some warm sound and dry bass. Floorstanders or standmounts dosent matter. Im 2,5- 3m from the speakers.

/Morgan

It would be very wise to consider the amplifcation (and source) on hand before any loudspeaker recommendation can be made with any degree of confidence; as any seasoned audiophile knows, the 'front-end' quality is essential t extract the finest from the far end (i.e. the loudspeakers).

If basic amplification is on hand, the field would be wide open for a loudspeaker recommendation.

I'd suggest to this posted that a pair of used  PSB Stratus Gold (i's)  (large floor-stander) should do the trick. There are only a handful of transducers (in my experience) that's right at home with both basic amplifier choice, loudspeaker positioning and then can transition into a very capable performer with superior front-end components; a rare quality indeed.

But, with considerable experiencing listening, selling and placing these loudspeakers, this was a consistent reality; amazing sound almost regardless of room positioning and driving gear. This rec. does NOT flow down to the remainder of the past line's 'Silver's', 'Bronze' (either floor-stander or stand-mount).

Ahh, (the trip down memory lane remind me,) find and purchase a pair of successor generation PSB "Platinum?" M-1 stand-mounts; a wonderfully capable, resolving loudspeaker that can also pound-out some Zeppelin and also be at home with more delicate fare. (The M-1?  is a 6.5" 2-way large stand-mount).

Morgan, it's fine to mention what price-bracket has been allocated to the purchase; that changes everything, as would whether used (but loved) gear would be acceptable to you.  

pj

Morgan J posted:

joe9407 posted:

hi Morgan -- it may help if you tell us about the qualities you want in a speaker: what matters most to you, sound-wise? what types of music do you like? what are the dimensions of your listening room and where would you place the speakers? what did you like about the Linn speakers you've had? would you prefer floorstanders or standmounts? that kind of thing.

--joe

Hello! I listen to everything from jazz to black metal but i listen a lot on Dylan etc. I want rock and roll speakers , it should be fun listen to music. It must not be too cold and detailed sound, thats the worst thing i know. it may be tight and some warm sound and dry bass. Floorstanders or standmounts dosent matter. Im 2,5- 3m from the speakers.

/Morgan

/Morgan: Moving to present day, I just received a What Hi-Fi news letter; 

https://www.whathifi.com/award...oextras%20Updated%20(10.10.2017)::article_3_readmore&utm_source=20171010

From their list, I'd recommended consideration of the KEF Q-3050, one of "Q Acoustics" finely built models and perhaps some of MA's entry-level models.

Then, there is Tannoy's (by many accounts excellent) Revolution XT-6/XT-6F.

I believe any of these listed (and/or the older PSB's referenced in my earlier reply) will have you bouncing about within musical wonderment ! (lol)

pj 

Some weeks ago, i switched from the Naim Arivas to the Dali Epicon 6.

It is an outstanding upgrade in terms of sound and optic, never seen such beautiful loudspeakets.

I read you live Sweden, so Dali is from Denmark, no problem to hear and buy them in Sweden i think.

https://www.dali-speakers.com/...ers/epicon/epicon-6/

As someone suggested, an indication of budget might help with suggestions. Some of the suggestions on here are quite lowly in cost, and it might be you have more available to enable better speakers. If It were me and funds limited I would try to find secondhand, though that of course opens a wider market coupled possibly with less easy auditioning, and I don't know what the secondhand market is like in Sweded - though you can always import, if you have the confidence to know something will sound good to your ears.

Neat.

I floated a similar enquiry a couple of months ago with regard to speaker recommendations, in my case looking in the GBP 2 - 3k bracket.  I took it all on board, but went out and listened to make my choice.  Nobody recommended the speakers I chose.  Based on my gripe with the speakers I had before, I was advised to steer clear of the two brands that, through listening, delivered music best for my ears.  I didn't listen to everything recommended, of course, but once I found what I was looking for, there was no real need to.  My advice would be listen to what you can, before considering a purchase of something generally well regarded.  After my little speaker journey spanning around 12 months, I'v read reviews of the speakers that I heard during that process, and the thought 'just, what are you talking about?' repeatedly echos through my mind. 

majordude posted:

Neat.

As in "cool" -or N.E.A.T. loudspeakers ?

pj

SongStream posted:

I floated a similar enquiry a couple of months ago with regard to speaker recommendations, in my case looking in the GBP 2 - 3k bracket.  I took it all on board, but went out and listened to make my choice.  Nobody recommended the speakers I chose.  Based on my gripe with the speakers I had before, I was advised to steer clear of the two brands that, through listening, delivered music best for my ears.  I didn't listen to everything recommended, of course, but once I found what I was looking for, there was no real need to.  My advice would be listen to what you can, before considering a purchase of something generally well regarded.  After my little speaker journey spanning around 12 months, I'v read reviews of the speakers that I heard during that process, and the thought 'just, what are you talking about?' repeatedly echos through my mind. 

Interesting. And honest (regarding review comments vs. one's own experience).

There are so many variables, the most prominent is the front-end; source, pre, power, cables etc. Also, where the gear is plugged into (AC power bar, direct connection, wall receptacle(s)) or  directly to the electrical/fuse panel, and if so, what phase/leg of the circuit?

AC power conditions/quality can be a seriously compromising component.

Those in the 'know' should use a Balanced/Symmetrical AC power supply (such as Equi=tech, or similar), and, ideally, a AC power re-generator (for source components). You really have never experienced digital at its best until powered via (for example) a PS Audio P-3 -or similar.

All these variables and more; rack/stand, room/loudspeaker positioning and even environmental considerations such as (and certainly not limited to) room temperature, humidity and ambient room noise/levels.

Also impacting SQ to a great degree is excellent/complimentary source/amplifier combinations.

The variables are extensive in nature, yet never mentioned or referenced in 99% of reviews -indicating lazy, indifferent and sloppy writer/reviewer's at best, incompetency at the other end.

It's time, for a real, authentically professional  Hi-Fi Audio Review mag/rag ! And I know just the guy to get it started.

pj 

allhifi posted:

majordude posted:

Neat.

As in "cool" -or N.E.A.T. loudspeakers ?

pj

Based on your original post and additional comments, Neat speakers.  I wouldn't even hesitate.  However I like the stand mounts, myself.

majordude posted:

allhifi posted:

majordude posted:

Neat.

As in "cool" -or N.E.A.T. loudspeakers ?

pj

Based on your original post and additional comments, Neat speakers.  I wouldn't even hesitate.  However I like the stand mounts, myself.

NEAT does make some fine models.

pj

allhifi posted:

SongStream posted:

I floated a similar enquiry a couple of months ago with regard to speaker recommendations, in my case looking in the GBP 2 - 3k bracket.  I took it all on board, but went out and listened to make my choice.  Nobody recommended the speakers I chose.  Based on my gripe with the speakers I had before, I was advised to steer clear of the two brands that, through listening, delivered music best for my ears.  I didn't listen to everything recommended, of course, but once I found what I was looking for, there was no real need to.  My advice would be listen to what you can, before considering a purchase of something generally well regarded.  After my little speaker journey spanning around 12 months, I'v read reviews of the speakers that I heard during that process, and the thought 'just, what are you talking about?' repeatedly echos through my mind. 

Interesting. And honest (regarding review comments vs. one's own experience).

There are so many variables, the most prominent is the front-end; source, pre, power, cables etc. Also, where the gear is plugged into (AC power bar, direct connection, wall receptacle(s)) or  directly to the electrical/fuse panel, and if so, what phase/leg of the circuit?

AC power conditions/quality can be a seriously compromising component.

Those in the 'know' should use a Balanced/Symmetrical AC power supply (such as Equi=tech, or similar), and, ideally, a AC power re-generator (for source components). You really have never experienced digital at its best until powered via (for example) a PS Audio P-3 -or similar.

All these variables and more; rack/stand, room/loudspeaker positioning and even environmental considerations such as (and certainly not limited to) room temperature, humidity and ambient room noise/levels.

Also impacting SQ to a great degree is excellent/complimentary source/amplifier combinations.

The variables are extensive in nature, yet never mentioned or referenced in 99% of reviews -indicating lazy, indifferent and sloppy writer/reviewer's at best, incompetency at the other end.

It's time, for a real, authentically professional  Hi-Fi Audio Review mag/rag ! And I know just the guy to get it started.

pj 

Thanks, but  don't think you can afford me. ;-)

up to 5k  i can spend on speakers, pre loved is not a problem.

Morgan J posted:

up to 5k  i can spend on speakers, pre loved is not a problem.

Listen

yeti42 posted:

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winkyincanada posted:

yeti42 posted:

True to form, not one iota of meaning is conveyed by the exploding sausage.

True to form, not one iota of meaning is conveyed by the complaint about the exploding sausage.