Download: FLAC, WAV ?

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QUOTES - Please, when answering, consider whether you really HAVE to quote. If you do - please edit the quote to keep it as short and relevant as possible.

I apologise for not so doing - though if you check my habits you'll find that I usually trim to just the relevant parts. On this occasion I was so incensed that I responded without thought to the length of what was above, only what I was saying. (And in the previous post I had felt that what I left in was pertinent, though maybe I could have trimmed it more.)

duly done and reposted now

It’s not my place to give advice, but why don’t your good self and Huge just give up? There is no point getting even mildly irritated, let alone incensed. If you ignore the posts, the poster will just give up. Or talk to themselves ad infinitum. 

allhifi posted

 

 

Not so much asking, but sugessting: There is far more knowledge to be gleaned (i.e. your famous "old saying" line) in order to understand less!

You may wish to really re-read or re-think that 'old-saying' (that really is good ), so appropriate to this discussion, it begs repeating:

""Old saying is: "the more you know, the less you understand"

In which case, (bearing in mind the quote above)  tell me once again about all of the accumulated knowledge derived here and elsewhere and how 'absolute' (carved-in-stone) it must then be ?  

I understand the "lossless" arguments and have taken it as factual -thank you. No. argument.

Then, in point form (1-2-3 or a-b-c) inform this slow (ly streaming) neophyte what would/could be responsible for the unanimous distinctions/support claiming WAVE to be the go-to (truly best sounding) file format.

Hint, you can re-introduce the 'transcoding' function and other factors in point form, as in: (a--b-c, 1-2-3 ).

Regarding the counted pages and posts that "finally got through to me ", you surely must have encountered another old saying:  "Is it the student or teacher, that lacks comprehension"?

Alternately stated:  "Is it the (slow) student, or the poor teaching skills (or even genuinely lacking knowledge) of the teacher?"

 

 

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Firstly, I don't think I've ever used the term "old saying" in my life, let alone in this thread, and I haven't quoted that saying in this thread.

Secondly, I do not profess to be a teacher, and I have tried in all the ways I know to present the position in the simplest terms I can. Unfortunately from your various responses I rather got the impression that you had not really tried to digest and understand. If you believe I don't know what I'm talking about I respectfully demand thst you provide clear and comprehensive proof that you know something that proves that to be the case.

in other words, to put it bluntly, put up or shut up, and stop trying to goad people to lose their tempers when they have merely sought to help you. If you cannot provide proof that I don't know what I'm talking about then I the correct response is an unequivocal apology

Hungryhalibut posted:

It’s not my place to give advice, but why don’t your good self and Huge just give up? There is no point getting even mildly irritated, let alone incensed. If you ignore the posts, the poster will just give up. Or talk to themselves ad infinitum. 

Indeed, I have given up - the OP seems to be beyond help or pleasing.

Classic trolling, I'm afraid. The OP obviously gets off on your angry, emotional responses to his quite deliberately provocative posts. Give it up Huge, consign this thread to the bin, which is where it belongs.

Timmo1341 posted:

Classic trolling, I'm afraid.

Should be another Forum Rule:  Don't feed the troll.   

The thing is I don't actually get angry or emotional, but I do have the terrier mentality.

In some ways I'm a troll's worst nightmare: I don't get angry and don't rise to the bait they're trolling.  I simply keep my cool, just keep going and don't give up; but then neither do I get emotionally invested in it any way, so they get no reward form it.  It doesn't result in any degree of irritation for me.

Terriers of the world unite agains trolls...

Too right, constantly nip them round the ankles until they bleed out! 

Jugulars are better if you can reach.

Jugulars, bleeding, trolls, nightmares, etc. I can’t believe this thread is still running, the Padded Cell is too good for it!

There must be legions, if they had been bothered to read all this. Being very content in just putting a disc on/in to play.

Innocent Bystander posted:

Terriers of the world unite agains trolls...

Did somebody call for a Terrier...?

ChrisSU posted:

Jugulars, bleeding, trolls, nightmares, etc. I can’t believe this thread is still running, the Padded Cell is too good for it!

Hey, I write games in the fantasy genre, that's just everyday material for me! 

Actually, thank you everybody...

This tread has started me on a train of thought that has resulted in an idea for a conceptual game in a setting based on a particular flexible set of scenarios.  I'm not aware of anything like it that currently exists.

So thank you all for triggering a truly original game concept!    

Hungryhalibut posted:

From the Forum Rules.

QUOTES - Please, when answering, consider whether you really HAVE to quote. If you do - please edit the quote to keep it as short and relevant as possible.

 

And in addition to this splendid, but often ignored, advisory - may I offer a style note?

The over use of ‘lol’ may induce in the reader an increasingly strong associated image

(like Reggie Perrin’s hippo).

But, then, I never liked smilies. 

OMG Adam, that's done it now...

ChrisSU posted:

allhifi posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Mr Happy posted:

I can easily hear the difference between wav and flac. To me also wav sounds better. I feel transcoding must have some musical loss, although ive never tried this myself. If you have enough storage then why not just rip to wav in the first place?

Loss of what? No bits are lost in transcoding. 

Again (forgive my naivety -or stupidity), yet why is it then that I can (and many others) clearly hear a very distinctive SQ improvement when WAVE is used (in my case,a CD rip -using dB power & Foobar 2000 for playback.

Therefor, as Mr. H posted (and I experience nearly every single time) how is it that a bit-for-bit so-called "lossless compressed" FLAC file sounds clearly inferior to WAVE files (in my admittedly early, non-extensive) comparisons ?  WAVE sound quality is superior -by a wide margin. It really is, an obvious, easily discernible difference.

I'm not disputing that you can hear a difference (although I believe most would describe it as subtle or marginal, but there are many variables.) The point, again, is that we are discussing the difference between WAV transcoded from FLAC on the fly before it gets anywhere near your streamer, and WAV stored as WAV. Either way, your streamer is getting WAV. This is not the same as comparing WAV to your streamer vs FLAC to your streamer.

I think I finally understand !  (FLAC container, Flac file, FLAC transcoded to WAV ) !

Thanks boys !

 pj

(Computer Audio -sooooo complicated.)