Inverse Mullet

Innocent Bystander posted:

Dungassin posted:

 

 

Well, the room's window constrains the the right speaker to close to wall (n-bracket) and <2" from side wall.  I think the S10s probably need more space.  I've got my nSats to sound very nice indeed.  I do occasionally switch in the nSub as well (about one album in 50 or so), but it took me weeks to get that balanced in correctly.

With the nSub now balanced with the nSats, why do you not use it all the time?

Because I don't often feel the need for that little extra bit of bass extension.   Mainly seems to come in handy for organ music and some heavy rock.  I tend to switch it in to see if it makes an improvement, and if it doesn't switch it off again. (easy, because I control my system from my Harmony Elite, and I have set the option in there to switch it on/off.  IIRC (I'd have to check) I set it with crossover at 50 (or was it 60?) hZ, and level about -5db.  i.e. subtle.

Dungassin posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

Dungassin posted:

 

 

Well, the room's window constrains the the right speaker to close to wall (n-bracket) and <2" from side wall.  I think the S10s probably need more space.  I've got my nSats to sound very nice indeed.  I do occasionally switch in the nSub as well (about one album in 50 or so), but it took me weeks to get that balanced in correctly.

With the nSub now balanced with the nSats, why do you not use it all the time?

Because I don't often feel the need for that little extra bit of bass extension.   Mainly seems to come in handy for organ music and some heavy rock.  I tend to switch it in to see if it makes an improvement, and if it doesn't switch it off again. (easy, because I control my system from my Harmony Elite, and I have set the option in there to switch it on/off.  IIRC (I'd have to check) I set it with crossover at 50 (or was it 60?) hZ, and level about -5db.  i.e. subtle.

Out of interest, what styles of music do you listen to other than the occasional organ and heavy rock?

And purely from curiosity, as being unfamiliar with the nSats/nSub I have no idea what those settings mean, is that crossover and level set up measuring the sound levels (orlistening to a sweep tone) so as to give a level response taking over from the n-sats down to whatever the sub's limit is, or by playing music you like and adjusting to taste?

Let me see : almost everything.  I have 'catholic' tastes in music, as my dad would say.  About the only thing I don't listen to is techno - I find it very boring.  Great opera fan, love blues guitar, heavy metal, rock, country, solo and orchestral classical, easy listening etc etc.   Easy listening chord melody jazz quite a lot of the time, as that is what I am mainly playing on my guitars (fingerstyle) ATM.  (I go through phases like that).  Eldest granddaughter REALLY likes Taylor Swift, so I'm subjected to her quite a lot.  She brought her CDs over and made me rip them so she could play them through my gear (even though her dad has my old 52/HiCap/250 and SBLs with an NDX)

Yesterday's listening was : Willie Dixon, John Littlejohn, Carrie Underwood, Davy Knowles, Hunchback Of Notre Dame stage show.   Today?  No time.  Had guitar lesson, did weekly shop, placated SWMBO (still don't know what I did to annoy her!).  Tomorrow I think I might binge on my set of Teldec Bach Cantatas (vinyl, and they come with the scores!)

This evening I'm watching some of the 1970s Starsky and Hutch Season 4 (Christmas present last year).   That show really went downhill after the second series, BTW.  I may well finish up just skipping quickly through the last few episodes if it doesn't buck up soon.

I just mentioned the organ an heavy rock as being the things that seem to benefit from adding the sub.

Crossover frequency of the sub (set on the sub itself.  Level determined by listening until it sounds natural and unforced, so the answer is 'to taste'.  The 5dB is an actual measurement.  I played test tones before and after the adjustments and measured on a sound meter.

Not a hope in h*ll of getting a flat response in this room, and any treatment would be quickly demolished by my grandkids, who monopolise the room to mess with my guitars and play games on the PS4 etc.   Pretty sure the fact that I keep my Marshall Tube Combo amp in the same room doesn't help either!

There seems to be a little crossover in the thread between quality of musicality and price. They are not always aligned.

For me, source has the most effect on musical and information retreival whilst the speakers and their interface with the room have the most influence on the character of the sound. So a great source is most important for the music whereas taste tends to dictate choice of speakers.

Source first for me, but because of the speaker's character, they need to be chosen very carefully too. And source first doesn't mean source only for me as that is too extreme. A great source with poor downstream kit is a wasted source. So I prefer more of a 'not quite balanced' approach where the enphasis is on the quality of the source.

I suppose that today’s ultimate mullet would be a hunnard quids worth of Raspberry Pi streamer feeding eleven grands worth of Kii Threes.

Suzy Wong posted:

I suppose that today’s ultimate mullet would be a hunnard quids worth of Raspberry Pi streamer feeding eleven grands worth of Kii Threes.

Depends on whether you count the DAC as part of a digital source in this context, and thuscwhich DAC...

Innocent Bystander posted:

Suzy Wong posted:

I suppose that today’s ultimate mullet would be a hunnard quids worth of Raspberry Pi streamer feeding eleven grands worth of Kii Threes.

Depends on whether you count the DAC as part of a digital source in this context, and thuscwhich DAC...

AIUI, the Kii Threes have a digital input - no DAC needed.

Hmmmmm, not sure this really fits the source cost vs speakers cost comparison? Firstly the kii threes are DAC, amp and speakers all in one, and secondly renderers don't need to be megabucks to sound great, digital source cost considerations usually including the DAC.

Can you imagine, in some short years time. Most speakers will be wireless and ultimately dependant on the quality of ones home wifi network.      mullets, and other hair based visual identifiers are just gonna go out of focus on that smeared greasy mirror.

TOBYJUG posted:

Can you imagine, in some short years time. Most speakers will be wireless and ultimately dependant on the quality of ones home wifi network.      mullets, and hair based visual identifiers are just gonna go out that smeared greasy window.

Maybe, but they would certainly need to be active speakers.

MDS posted:

TOBYJUG posted:

Can you imagine, in some short years time. Most speakers will be wireless and ultimately dependant on the quality of ones home wifi network.      mullets, and hair based visual identifiers are just gonna go out that smeared greasy window.

Maybe, but they would certainly need to be active speakers.

KEF LS50’s anyone?

Really weird looking round the back of them.......they look like “real speakers” but with nowt but a mains cable! 

Suzy Wong posted:

I suppose that today’s ultimate mullet would be a hunnard quids worth of Raspberry Pi streamer feeding eleven grands worth of Kii Threes.

RPi's and ChromeCast Audio's are giant killers.

Mullets can taste well when prepared properly.