CD5 XS discontinued?

jon honeyball posted:

Allante93 posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

But apparently available for a little while.  Shame - lovely player but sign of the times.   

Regards,

Lindsay

Right you are, Lindsay!

Done a Seminar, last night!

Seminar A:

"McIntosh Group representatives will be in attendance:

Jeff Poggi, Co-CEO, McIntosh Group 
Dan Wakefield, Vice-President of Sales
Aldo Filippelli, Audio Research Director of Sales
Will Klein, Sonus faber Account Manager
Bart LoPiccolo, Regional Sales Director
Bob Staples, Regional Sales Manager, Mid-Atlantic & Eastern Midwest"

Sonas Fabar $70K Speakers

Audio Research Tube Amplifiers $66K

Nice, the Same company also purchased McIntosh. Seminar B. $30K Speakers.

Point being, McIntosh is catering to an integrated amp.

Tube pre amp with solid state amp!

Digital Streaming, all for $3.5K!

Sign of the times!

Allante93!

PS. Ovators, CD 555, Depleting XS line, CD5 XS!

Cdx 2.2???????

BTW Source for Seminar A was the Archaic CDP.

$70K Speakers & $66K tube mono Blocks

750 watts 8 ohms!

 

 

 

 

Either I havent had enough coffee, or you have had too much.

Can anyone decode this into English?

Yes (I've just drunk my coffee) : If i've read the post correctly, there was a demo of two systems -

A - Expensive speakers and amps fronted by CD player. 

B - Expensive speakers fronted by all in one streamer amp 

Which one did you prefer Allante ?

French Rooster posted:

Timo posted:

Max_B posted:

French Rooster posted:

the japan market continues to like a lot the cd/sacd players.  Asian market too i think....

I thought Japan deserved a capital and belonged to Asia... One never ends learning.

What's the point of this, smart-arse? If you don't have a good weekend, listen to some music...

i discovered a new term: smart-arse.     funny, thanks 

As I said, one never ends learning.... Precious stuff! 

james n posted:

jon honeyball posted:

Allante93 posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

But apparently available for a little while.  Shame - lovely player but sign of the times.   

Regards,

Lindsay

 

Either I havent had enough coffee, or you have had too much.

Can anyone decode this into English?

Yes (I've just drunk my coffee) : If i've read the post correctly, there was a demo of two systems -

A - Expensive speakers and amps fronted by CD player. 

{B - Expensive speakers fronted by all in one streamer amp}

B- 40K Sonus Faber & McIntosh

Which one did you prefer Allante ?

Simple English:

"McIntosh Group representatives will be in attendance:

Jeff Poggi, Co-CEO, McIntosh Group 
Dan Wakefield, Vice-President of Sales
Aldo Filippelli, Audio Research Director of Sales
Will Klein, Sonus faber Account Manager
Bart LoPiccolo, Regional Sales Director
Bob Staples, Regional Sales Manager, Mid-Atlantic & Eastern Midwest"

Seminar A:  70K Speakers/ 66K Amps

Sonus Faber/ Audio Research

Seminar B: 40K Speakers/ McIntosh Mono Blocks

Which did I prefer????

You guessed it!  A

Now to address the all in one Integrated Streaming Amp with tube pre & solid state amp for a mere 3.5K.

That was the Delivery Spill for the new consumer market!

Sign Of The Times!

Albeit Naim, or McIntosh!

Allante93!

PS. Hope that cleared things up!

No Coffee, just Tea!

jon honeyball posted:

Allante93 posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

But apparently available for a little while.  Shame - lovely player but sign of the times.   

Regards,

Lindsay

Right you are, Lindsay!

Done a Seminar, last night!

Seminar A:

"McIntosh Group representatives will be in attendance:

Jeff Poggi, Co-CEO, McIntosh Group 
Dan Wakefield, Vice-President of Sales
Aldo Filippelli, Audio Research Director of Sales
Will Klein, Sonus faber Account Manager
Bart LoPiccolo, Regional Sales Director
Bob Staples, Regional Sales Manager, Mid-Atlantic & Eastern Midwest"

Sonas Fabar $70K Speakers

Audio Research Tube Amplifiers $66K

Nice, the Same company also purchased McIntosh. Seminar B. $30K Speakers.

Point being, McIntosh is catering to an integrated amp.

Tube pre amp with solid state amp!

Digital Streaming, all for $3.5K!

Sign of the times!

Allante93!

PS. Ovators, CD 555, Depleting XS line, CD5 XS!

Cdx 2.2???????

BTW Source for Seminar A was the Archaic CDP.

$70K Speakers & $66K tube mono Blocks

750 watts 8 ohms!

 

 

 

 

Either I havent had enough coffee, or you have had too much.

Can anyone decode this into English?

it is like a game, try to find the right word in 10000 words:  we had to read: “source for Seminar was the archaic CDP”.

French Rooster posted:

the archaic CDP”.

Kind of what you are if you only base things on their age and not their ability! 

badlands posted:

French Rooster posted:

the archaic CDP”.

Kind of what you are if you only base things on their age and not their ability! 

 

badlands posted:

French Rooster posted:

the archaic CDP”.

Kind of what you are if you only base things on their age and not their ability! 

you didn’t understood:  i was writing to jon, he was “joking “ about the long paragraph of alliante....with difficulty to find the real sense.  Alliante wrote “ the archaic cdp” ( but it was a compliment...)

badlands posted:

French Rooster posted:

the archaic CDP”.

Kind of what you are if you only base things on their age and not their ability! 

Archaic = ancient;  savouring of the past; not absolutely obsolete but not in general use ; old fashioned (Chambers English Dictionary).

Could probably apply to numbers of us on the forum 

if cd players were archaic, they will no more perform in high end audio shows.  In very big systems, as Alliante said,  we can see full esoteric, dcs, accuphase, burmester cd/sacd players, quite even more than big streaming/ dac/ servers.  For some audio specialists, these high end cd/sacd players are still better than servers/ dacs.   But difficult to compare by myself.....

Just to say: archaic? not

Innocent Bystander posted:

badlands posted:

French Rooster posted:

the archaic CDP”.

Kind of what you are if you only base things on their age and not their ability! 

Archaic = ancient;  savouring of the past; not absolutely obsolete but not in general use ; old fashioned (Chambers English Dictionary).

Could probably apply to numbers of us on the forum 

 

anyway it wasn’t my term and badlands had probably not read the whole different answers....

But yes, innocent bystander, i may be archaic too, with my 51 years old....

As for cd players, they are perhaps archaic but still competitive....

French Rooster posted:

if cd players were archaic, they will no more perform in high end audio shows.  In very big systems, as Alliante said,  we can see full esoteric, dcs, accuphase, burmester cd/sacd players, quite even more than big streaming/ dac/ servers.  For some audio specialists, these high end cd/sacd players are still better than servers/ dacs.   But difficult to compare by myself.....

Just to say: archaic? not

Except that I don't think anyone would argue that reel to reel is archaic compared to digital (and even CD), but you are now seeing it fronting some very high end systems and providing some of the very best sound performance at shows.

Hal posted:

Almost all the components that I have from Naim have becoming legacy products. Sniff.

"In computing, a legacy system is an old method, technology, computer system, or application program, "of, relating to, or being a previous or outdated computer system." Often a pejorative term, referencing a system as "legacy" means that it paved the way for the standards that would follow it."

Excuse my ignorance, but that's appears to be negative statement!

Please elaborate! 

Allante93!

PS. Sniff?

Americans ! LOL......

Allante, I've just had a look at Merriam-Webster and Oxford English Dictionary definitions of legacy. Your understanding fits. But there are other meanings too, closer to Hal's usage.

Naim did release their first CD Player when the CD was almost a legacy concept. Nothing wrong with that. Thinking about it, I like the concept of running a bit behind but have very good well balanced and sturdy thing.

I hate all electronics in my car too.

Archaic, by dictonary definition is something ancient from a previous era.

This doesn't not automatically translate in something worse than newer stuff. 

Roman or reinassance architecture no longer worth to exist ? 

Again,  why a MC Laren F1 is now fetching  £ 10m  when a new model will  probably outperform the former in many areas?.

Back to cd/streaming issue is not the ultimate performance that counts, but the whole experience of musical playback.

It's the connection with something physical,  the sense of occasion of the real record (silver or black) and not a virtual substitute of this.

Regards

Roberto

That's the sprit Roberto, spot on, it's all in the name of covienence, make things easier for the customer, and sell it as somthing revolutionary to what went before it, it doesn't make it better, just different, as a 14y old I started with a potable vinyl player, with batteries, then a separates system fronted with vinyl, than came Cd. Now I still have cd, but also a vinyl player, iam not ready for a one box streamer,  because they are no where near yet, but they need somthing different to sell us, and dress it up as the way forward, it's consumerism, and hifi is jumping in with both feet, wait till holographic comes, can't wait, not.

In my humble opinion the following observations.

I do think that CD Player + Amp has the most consistent quality since there are limited components involved - this can be made complex, but a SN + CDX2 is a very high level source + amp and the cable is in this situation the most 'fluid' thing.

Then, both the Turntable and Streamers are much more reliant on setup, cables, power, network. For some reason it is entirely normal to bring a specialist at home to setup the Turntable, or have it done in the shop but not for streaming. We all expect that our local network will be seamlessly serving the Hifi.

I believe that when a Turntable or a Streamers is professionaly setup they both can reach stable and very high level results.

rsch posted:

Archaic, by dictonary definition is something ancient from a previous era.

This doesn't not automatically translate in something worse than newer stuff. .......

Regards

Roberto

Right you are Roberto, I was being facetious.

DB is using the ARCHAIC CDP, with an $90 K Pre-Amp. I was fraternizing with the upper crust, during a Seminar last week:

Sonas Fabar $70K Speakers

Audio Research Tube Amplifiers $66K

Guess what, the ARCHAIC CDP!

The Yuri Honing Trio, Walking on the Moon

Nice CD, or maybe it was the $300K System!

Enjoy Your Music, The Why!

Allante93!

PS. I'm also fond of the ARCHAIC CDP.

Cdx2>282>HCDR>3 x (250.2)>Fraimlite

Passive Tri-Amped Briks!

There does seem difference of opinion regarding the cd5xs/cdx2 with the supernait 2, I personally didn't get a £2k difference in SQ over the cd5xs with standard interconnect, just because Naim say it should, does no way mean that is the case, and cables, remember when we where adviced to only use naim speakers with naim kit, there seems as meny variations as opinions.

Tob, I've edited your post. Please ensure you respect forum rules, thanks.

@ TOB

"There does seem difference of opinion regarding the cd5xs/cdx2 with the

{supernait 2}

, I personally didn't get a £2k difference in SQ over the cd5xs with standard interconnect, just because....." 

3 years ago, I was at that cross-road, actually drove across the border to audition an 'CD5XS.

At that time, the CD5XS, was getting high praise.

But the line that swayed me over to the CDX2:

But 282 territory, the Cdx2, that's a different story.

SN 2, close call!

But at the end of the day!

Is the Cdx2, the only CDP Naim has in production?

Allante93!

Yes, the cdx2 with the 282 is the obvious choice, i do think its what you partner with the cd5xs, and the cdx2, its getting the cohesion just right, not always an easy thing. Naim still has the cd5si in production, well it was last time i checked?.

I have the CDX2. I wonder how much longer that will stay in the line up? Whatever happens though, I am very happy with it. When I compared the CDX2 to the CD5XS, the difference was subtle. It was nearly double the cost, and I switched back and forth between the two several times before eventually deciding the CDX2 was superior enough to be worth it. Percussion like cymbals or triangles had a much more authentic tang to it.

I would say for anyone who just bought the CD5XS, if you like the sound and you're happy with it, then enjoy the music. That's all that matters.