New Turntable

Emre posted:

Bob the Builder posted:

Nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you upgrade an LP12 there thousands and thousands of LP12 owners who have never paid for an upgrade and after many years own the same deck they started with.  This argument which always gets rolled out against the LP12 is the same argument held by many against Naim Audio.

yes i am talking from my Naim experience and my personal weakness  

Ok Emre now I understand because I have the same condition.

The Verdier has required no upgrades since I got it.   We did replace the factory springs with Walker Valid Points and then added some Herbie’s vibration products.   Relatively minor by Linn standards.    The Helikon lasted until last year when we did the Kleos SL.   The Verdier is done and complete when you set it up.  It uses an opposing ring magnet pair to suspend the platter so it is one and done.     It is the King of PRaT, too.   

Just like the VPI Prime ????

Well, final decision made. The dealer wasn't overly keen on the 2nd hand idea. He reckons the Majyk is the best it's ever been (bearing and other bits) so didn't want to buy into problems from a 2nd hand one. I totally accept that you could buy a 2nd hand one and it could be fine for years but the minute he doubted it that was it for me. 

So I have ordered the RP10. All the turntable I will ever need. It sounds fantastic and there isn't an "upgrade gun" pointing at my head. I can't wait to get it. And I reckon that's it now - the hi-fi is complete. 282/250/Hi Cap/CDX2/XPS DR/Hi Line/Dali Rubicon 6s and an RP10/Rega Fono MC. It's a decent enough system - I might DR the 250 and HC at some point but that lot should last me a long time now. 

The wife still thinks it's all £100 a piece!!

Great choice but you won’t be listening to much digital from now on

Regards,

Lindsay

andykram posted:

Well, I have now done the LP12 review with interesting results. The dealer brought the RP10 too with Fono MC stage which we listened to first as a sort of base line. As previously, I loved this turntable. Just a fantastic sound. 

Then to the LP12. A much warmer sound. Clearly not as detailed but I still liked it. I was sort of hoping it would be rubbish in comparison as that would have made my decision easier but now I have a dilemma. The LP12 with Trampoline and Hercules and a Rega Fono MM stage would be the same price as the RP10 with MC stage. 

My gut instinct is still the Rega. It is all the turntable I would ever need without the need for constant upgrades. However, I am going to ask the dealer if they have a second hand LP12 which he could service and add a better arm and cartridge to than the standard one on the  Majyk similar money. 

Will report back agin when he's done this. 

Consider listening to the RP10 with the Aria in lieu of the Fono.  I think you'll note a significant improvement. The Aria really is intended to be mated to the RP10.

With a dealer nearby, an LP-12 is too tempting to ignore!   When I bought the Rega Planar 3, I listened to a Linn but did not want to spend the money and I knew I would be moving soon and thought the Linn would be too much trouble.   That was the right decision.  I have always regretted that I have never had an LP-12.   But I have never lived close enough to a dealer to consider it.

james n posted:

A Vibration Measuring Machine is on my Christmas list (the book not a turntable !)

You'll enjoy the book James. I've just finished reading it myself. It certainly has made me interested in having a high end turntable in my home system again, but I'll let the romantic notion quieten down for a while and then look at it.

And here's me saying there's no upgrade gun pointing at my head!! - 2 wheels pops up with the Aria. Just cannot afford another £550 at this stage but there's my next upgrade!!

I've got bad news for you Andy...  The last couple of days I've been listening to an RP10 with Apheta 2 into a Superline.  It's good.  Very, very, good.  So make sure the Superline is on the audition list...

You are all really bad people......!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andy - you can normally find a Superline and HC going 2nd hand

Mr. Frog.  You have chosen wisely and a musical future awaits!

The Devil writes......

The Superline opens up a new world of music.   And it makes all your old records sound new.   It has been amazing at my house.

The Angel writes......

I can't argue with that!

Agree regarding the Superline. I use mine with z-foil plugs and power with a HiCap DR - although in know it’s crying out for a Supercap DR. Perhaps next year

My advice would be to get a 90's LP12 with Ittok, the overall slightly warm sound will suit most naim gear rather nicely. It wont be the very best, but it will be very communicative - it will give CD a run for its money - and be reasonably priced. The official Linn upgrades are eye watering - these do improve the deck but shift the relaxed balance over to a slightly more clinical precision with allot of detail,space and air. I think you would be staggered at just how good the old LP12 can sound, if setup well and sat on the right support.

I’ve never understood this Linn goes with Naim.  Naim is dynamic and involving and the LP12 cardigan and slippers

I’m wearing a cardigan and slippers today. Perhaps the Naim needs to go. 

Posh slippers though!

Linn went with naim because the warm bass helped alleviate a dry bass quality in the early naim amps. Synergy.

Diesel brand slippers of course

Dozey posted:

Linn went with naim because the warm bass helped alleviate a dry bass quality in the early naim amps. Synergy.

Didn’t Naim come after Linn?

Quite possibly - in which case the naim amps may well have been voiced on purpose to get the best out of the Linn.

Both Linn  and Naim were established in 1973 - I think Linn narrowly beat Naim by a matter of a few months.