Advise for dedicated mains

Posted by: TomSer on 15 November 2017

Hello,

I’m planning to install dedicated mains for my system.

I read a few threads regarding this kind of installation.

Some invest quite an amount: gold plated fuses, special cables, rhodium plated wall sockets (which is strange because rhodium is a poor conductor), etc.

My question is the following:

Should I let my electrician use the standard gear (wall socket, cables, mcd) or should I choose specific gear like Furutech wall-sockets etc. ?  

Considering that what we want is “clean” electricity and nothing else, what do you consider necessary in terms of wall socket, cable and mcd?

Thank you very much for help

Posted on: 15 November 2017 by Richard Dane

Before anyone answers, some health and safety warnings: it's important to establish where you are installing the mains - i.e. what country.  What is OK in the UK may well be outside of electrical code, or even highly dangerous in another country. 

So, to the members here, please only post advice if you are conversant with the electrical code for the country where the OP is doing the installation.

To Tomser, whatever you do, make sure the over-riding advice you seek is from a fully qualified electrician conversant in the electrical code for your area.

Posted on: 15 November 2017 by The Strat (Fender)

Well exactly what Richard says with regard to H&S and compliance.  But I had my local sparky install a dedicated consumer unit, radial and 4 unswitched MK doubles - so each component has its own socket.  Relatively simple.

 

Posted on: 15 November 2017 by ChrisSU

After a phonecall to Naim support, I followed their advice regarding the type of components used, and after a discussion with my electrician, he agreed to instal them. They were all standard components, rather than any specialist ‘audiophile’ versions, and I’ve been very happy with the results. This is in the UK, if you are elsewhere, you might try asking Naim, or their agent, for local advice. 

Posted on: 15 November 2017 by TomSer

Richard, The Strat, Chrissu, thank you for your reply.

I live in Switzerland and the installation will, of course, be done bye a fully qualified electrician.

I already ask for a quote. It will be around 500CHF and they'll use standard wiring, wall-soket etc.

But of course I can ask him to use better wires, specific wall-sockets etc.

The question is what would you recommend terms of wiring, wall sockets etc.

Chrissu, may I ask you which advises Naim gave you regarding components?

Posted on: 15 November 2017 by Richard Dane

Tomser, Naim can only advise with regard to UK mains.  Regs are quite different in Switzerland so your best bet is to enquire with the Naim distributor.

Posted on: 15 November 2017 by Kacper

For example in the Netherlands electric ⚡️ cables are located in the thin tubes which are inside of the walls/ceilings. Earthed sockets are located only (older buildings) at the kitchens and bathrooms. So, before I got what I wanted  - earthed socket  for my naim gear - I had to pull the yellow/ green cable thru the mentioned pipes, straight  from the el. socket into the main board. I have done that my self  

Posted on: 15 November 2017 by ChrisSU
TomSer posted:


Chrissu, may I ask you which advises Naim gave you regarding components?

I have mentioned this in other threads, but given that you’re not in the UK, I suspect that repeating it here might result in the thread being pulled for breaking the rules. Can your dealer advise?

(As an ex-mountaineer, slightly jealous of your location!)

Posted on: 16 November 2017 by Blackmorec

This is quite an easy question to answer.

What happens when you upgrade a power cord in your system? What happens when you clean the sockets, contacts and plug pins in your system? 

Certain members here will trot out a story about emporer’s clothes. It’s a story. Not a story are placebos in the Pharmaceutical industry. Because some people can imagine positive effects, does that mean that all drugs are suspect and don’t work? Of course it doesn’t. And so it is with hi-fi.

Rule number ONE in hi-fi....everything affects the sound.....some things a little, some a lot. But sometimes small changes are big and big changes small. Why?  Because a change in itself isn’t important....its the level of enjoyment you achieve with the change that makes ALL the difference. Have you noticed that some upgrades you make seem to bring a huge positive initial change, but 2 weeks later you’re not enjoying your system and the music any more than you did before the upgrade?  Whereas other changes.....for example the removal of a slight hardness or harshness from the sound bring a real lasting increase in enjoyment? Well that’s the sort of change better quality sockets and cable will bring.  Typically it makes music more musical...less ‘electronic’, it removes hardness and harshness from the sound, bringing greater ease and naturalness to the music.  

By running a dedicated mains to your system, you effectively remove all the household noise from switches, motors, cheap power supplies and chargers etc. It will bring a major improvement. Building that dedicated supply with high quality (from a sonic standpoint) components you’ll achieve 2 more things. A major increase in the enjoyment level of your system AND the minimisation of deterioration over time as the myriad connections within that supply corrode and/or loosen off over time.  Gold is there because it doesn’t oxidise, better sockets ensure more secure clamping of conductors and better, more secure grip on plug pins. Gold fuses minimise corrosion and improve the contact between the fuse and its holder. 

Substitute a standard mains cable with a higher quality Naim product and you’ll hear an improvement in sound quality. Do the same for your entire system by substituting high quality supply cable and sockets and the improvement is more profound. 

 

Posted on: 16 November 2017 by Timmo1341

How much for a new set of ears and what lies between?

Posted on: 16 November 2017 by Huge
Timmo1341 posted:

How much for a new set of ears and what lies between?

About £2.50 for a pig's head from a local butcher!

Posted on: 16 November 2017 by Dave***t
Huge posted:
Timmo1341 posted:

How much for a new set of ears and what lies between?

About £2.50 for a pig's head from a local butcher!

Saw this on the recent comments side bar and thought for a moment that the forum had taken a sudden turn towards black metal.

Posted on: 16 November 2017 by Eloise
Dave***t posted:
Huge posted:

About £2.50 for a pig's head from a local butcher!

Saw this on the recent comments side bar and thought for a moment that the forum had taken a sudden turn towards black metal.

Or an Eton reunion!

Posted on: 16 November 2017 by Timmo1341
Huge posted:
Timmo1341 posted:

How much for a new set of ears and what lies between?

About £2.50 for a pig's head from a local butcher!

Now there's a thought - wired into the new, dedicated and very expensive mains supply, et voila - pork scratchings!!