Warning - Don't Start a Thread with the Word 'Blimey': Topic - The PS555DR

Posted by: nigelb on 25 November 2017

The last (and only) two topics that started with the word 'Blimey' have been shut down by the Moderator for different (but valid) reasons.  Richard has suggested I start another thread so here goes.

My 'Blimey' topic was primarily about the wonders of the PS555DR which I am trialling at home. You may recall how I waxed lyrical about how wonderful some well-known (to me) artists sound with the addition of the 555DR, namely Chris Stapleton, Dianna Krall, Lizz wright and I can now add to this list Gregory Porter and Antonio Forcione. That is only after the first day of listening.

I thought I knew the work of these artists fairly well but the 555DR just adds another dimension which I can only lamely describe as 'realism'. That is a simple term that encapsulates many improved areas of enhanced performance which I can't articulate well. I know HH ran out of ways of describing what the 555DR and 300DR did in his home and I am beginning to understand why.

The addition of the 555DR and the uplift that has resulted is of course attributable to the rest of the system also. I never realised what the NDS/252/250DR/MA speakers/SL full loom were really capable of in my home until I added the 555DR. It also highlights the importance of 'component matching' and the benefit of removing a weak link from a system.

Look, if this topic really has run its course then let this thread die in peace but if there is life in it I would welcome the views of others. But please no wild and bizarre diversions nor talk of power supplies built in sheds or you know what will happen.

I have just realised that I have used the dreaded 'B' word in the thread title so maybe the writing is on the wall.

Posted on: 25 November 2017 by hungryhalibut
badlands posted:
nigelb posted:

The last (and only) two topics that started with the word 'Blimey' have been shut down by the Moderator for different (but valid) reasons.  Richard has suggested I start another thread so here goes.

 

 

Damn, I thought some very valid points were expressed, I hate to see it shut down, whatever happened to free speech? I think the original thread should be brought back for the reasons expressed.

Just to be clear, Richard shut down the original thread, the one that I started, solely because I asked him to. There was no free speech issue and Richard did not actively intervene. I asked him to close the thread because of the negativity from a number of members. I tried to make the thread fun, but whatever I did someone wasn’t happy. So I thought **** it. 

Posted on: 25 November 2017 by nigelb
Hungryhalibut posted:
badlands posted:
nigelb posted:

The last (and only) two topics that started with the word 'Blimey' have been shut down by the Moderator for different (but valid) reasons.  Richard has suggested I start another thread so here goes.

 

 

Damn, I thought some very valid points were expressed, I hate to see it shut down, whatever happened to free speech? I think the original thread should be brought back for the reasons expressed.

Just to be clear, Richard shut down the original thread, the one that I started, solely because I asked him to. There was no free speech issue and Richard did not actively intervene. I asked him to close the thread because of the negativity from a number of members. I tried to make the thread fun, but whatever I did someone wasn’t happy. So I thought **** it. 

Yes, indeed. Sorry to suggest your thread was shut down HH. Mine was shut down for a similar reason and for discussion about power supplies and sheds. I will also assert that my thread was removed for good reason and thankfully freedom of speech prevails in this fine place.

Posted on: 25 November 2017 by Claus-Thoegersen

My 9 year old 555 went to SQ to be recapped and dred this week, companied by my at least 15 years old 252, and my 9 year old snaxo. The snaxo could have waited a few more years but I could as well send all the units back to base in the same shipment. Hopefully the system is back up and running before Christmas, so I can join the blimy ranks even though this is with Ndac and 252.   

Claus

Posted on: 25 November 2017 by Kiwi cat
nigelb posted:
Kiwi cat posted:

When I was finally in a financial position to add a power supply to my 272/250DR, I auditioned both the XPSDR and 555DR at home. Within 5 minutes I hadmade up my mind as the extra finesse of the 555DR was manifestly apparent.

Andrew Everard wrote that adding a 555DR gives about 90% the performance of a similarly powered NDS, and given the huge cost of the NDS I think I have a relative bargain.

Having lived with the 555DR the last few months I have noticed a lower noise floor, greater ease of musical flow, less graininess of sound and a greater sense of 3 dimensional space. The latter is particularly satisfying, it really gives a greater "live" feeling to the music.

In piscatorial terms my system is now a "Moki", a New Zealand sea fish with a relatively small head and tail but a large and strong body. So this skinned cat is happy!

Your description of what the 555 DR does is spot on IMO. The 'live' feel you have described, I have clumsily described as 'realness' but I am pretty sure we are describing the same effect.

BTW, how big is a Moki? Would it eat, or be eaten, by a Monkfish for example, should they come face to face?

Asks he at the risk of diverting his thread, leading to either death, oblivion or worse, the Padded Cell!

I am afraid the poor Moki would not fare well against a Monkfish. The mollusc and invertebrate eating Moki has a small mouth, fleshy lips and no teeth. Average size 2 kg. Against the gaping mouth and sharp teeth of the Monk fish it would have no chance.

In keeping  with the theme that "Blimey" threads tend to be rambling and discursive, I would like to add further piscatorial matches with your system and the other Nigel Halibut system.

Nigel-B system:

NDS/555DR/252/250DR is a Mahimahi, or dolphin fish system. This fish has a large head and body corresponding to the high quality front end and power supplies, tapering to a slender but powerful tail being the 250DR.

Nigel-Halibut system:

272/555DR/300DR is a Moray eel system. There is a relatively small head corresponding to the 272 followed by a powerful broad body and tail of the power supply and amplifier respectively. In fact HH should more appropriately be known as the "Munching Moray".

I am not clever enough to get pictures of the Moki, Mahimahi or Moray on this thread so if anyone is able to help please go right ahead as it will illustrate my analogy.

Anyway, am off to cook some fish fingers for tea. Good night.

 

Posted on: 25 November 2017 by joerand

Warning - Don't Start a Thread with the Word 'Blimey'

nigelb posted:

The last (and only) two topics that started with the word 'Blimey' have been shut down by the Moderator for different (but valid) reasons.  

 Safe to assume that starting a thread with the word 'Bloody' is also not a good choice?

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by GraemeH
joerand posted:

Warning - Don't Start a Thread with the Word 'Blimey'

nigelb posted:

The last (and only) two topics that started with the word 'Blimey' have been shut down by the Moderator for different (but valid) reasons.  

 Safe to assume that starting a thread with the word 'Bloody' is also not a good choice?

‘Blimey’ trumps ‘Bloody’.

Three to avoid!

G

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by nigelb

Thank you Kiwi Cat, for very informative and precise comparisons of hi fi systems to the world of fish. Not sure where that takes us but it was interesting reading. 

Now chaps, enough of the 'Bl**ey' word, as you know what will happen. I wonder if Bob The Builder's next post on here will be littered with the 'B' word? Just my suspicious mind.

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by dave marshall

Nigel, pleased to read that you are enjoying what the 555PS DR has brought to your NDS.

However, I do see another "Blimey" thread starting in the future, when you venture into 2 X 555PS DR territory.

Blimey! 

I'll get my coat. 

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by The Strat (Fender)

I’ll go and kick the cat.   

Oh - I haven’t got a cat. 

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by nigelb

I think we have got over the fish diversion, cats have been mentioned and OK the Bl**my word has been let slip. But please no, absolutely no mention of paint, Farrow & Ball or other manufacturers.

I mean it!!

Dave, I am still in negotiations with my Finance Director (my darling wife) over the acquisition of one 555DR. Mention of two will end in a complete breakdown in talks. Perhaps I should negotiate an extension and implementation period of say a couple of years. I wonder where that idea came from? I also have the phrase 'divorce bill' in the back of my mind so I am treading particularly carefully at the moment. 

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by Mort2k

Nigel

 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, really shows how good the 555 is. I tried a mates 555 (nonDR) it was an improvement over my XPSDR - let me know i need to upgrade at some point. Also you point on system balance is very interesting, recently moving to NDX from ND5 has a similar impact  for me.

Rob

 

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by The Strat (Fender)

So Nigel I see your shopping list as:

2 x 555 PSUs. 

Another 250DR

Snaxo + SC

Kudos 707

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by nigelb
The Strat (Fender) posted:

So Nigel I see your shopping list as:

2 x 555 PSUs. 

Another 250DR

Snaxo + SC

Kudos 707

Touché!

Lindsay, you have seen straight through by cunning plan. 

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by The Strat (Fender)
nigelb posted:
The Strat (Fender) posted:

So Nigel I see your shopping list as:

2 x 555 PSUs. 

Another 250DR

Snaxo + SC

Kudos 707

Touché!

Lindsay, you have seen straight through by cunning plan. 

So cunning Mr B you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel.  

(Courtesy of Baldrick).  

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by nigelb

Sunday is a busy day for us (we have a pub/restaurant) so I thought that I would let the system play all day to help in settling down as I have only had the 555DR in for a couple of days. And after yesterday's wobble I thought the new addition might not have reached its best yet.

The first album I listened to this evening is Sean Rowe's New Lore, a real favourite of mine and still unheard with the 555DR powering the NDS. I am gobsmacked! It is so unforced and so real. In a way it is rather relaxed and unimpressive and by so being it is all the more impressive. I know that makes no sense at all but it is the only way I can articulate the impression I have still listening to this album as I type. And it is a bit tricky to type because I have to stop and listen.

I can hear every single lyric and therefore all the songs make so much more sense. I can now fully understand what SR is singing about. Each instrument sounds more realistic and all the musicians and vocalists are performing as one but with wonderful separation so you can appreciate the skill of say the bass guitarist or the keyboard player.

Now I really need to listen to the rest of this wonderful piece of work.

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by jsaudio

I bought the 555 as my first PS for the 272 thinking I would be future proofing,expecting a higher end streamer/pre-amp without internal PS some day. Most people thought I was foolish. However one thing is very clear to me, the quality of the recording be it ripped CD,hi-res download or Tidal HiFi, makes the biggest difference in SQ. Maybe we should be discussing best recordings. There was a thread about this not too long ago.

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by Innocent Bystander
GraemeH posted:
joerand posted:

Warning - Don't Start a Thread with the Word 'Blimey'

nigelb posted:

The last (and only) two topics that started with the word 'Blimey' have been shut down by the Moderator for different (but valid) reasons.  

 Safe to assume that starting a thread with the word 'Bloody' is also not a good choice?

‘Blimey’ trumps ‘Bloody’.

Three to avoid!

G

"Blimey" is actually a condensed form of the request "God blind me". Being told that when I once used the word as a child was effective in making it the first and last time I said it...

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by nigelb
jsaudio posted:

I bought the 555 as my first PS for the 272 thinking I would be future proofing,expecting a higher end streamer/pre-amp without internal PS some day. Most people thought I was foolish. However one thing is very clear to me, the quality of the recording be it ripped CD,hi-res download or Tidal HiFi, makes the biggest difference in SQ. Maybe we should be discussing best recordings. There was a thread about this not too long ago.

Indeed, I have already commented on how the addition of the 555DR makes the system more critical of recording and mastering quality of the material used, which has already led to a slight disappointment with one of my favourite albums.

Overall though every album I have played using the 555DR is considerably better than with my less capable power supply. The degree of superiority just fluctuates, presumably according to the quality of the recording. I have to say though, despite recording quality variability, I am very impressed with the 555DR. It is just so flippin' expensive. 

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by hungryhalibut
Innocent Bystander posted:
GraemeH posted:
joerand posted:

Warning - Don't Start a Thread with the Word 'Blimey'

nigelb posted:

The last (and only) two topics that started with the word 'Blimey' have been shut down by the Moderator for different (but valid) reasons.  

 Safe to assume that starting a thread with the word 'Bloody' is also not a good choice?

‘Blimey’ trumps ‘Bloody’.

Three to avoid!

G

"Blimey" is actually a condensed form of the request "God blind me". Being told that when I once used the word as a child was effective in making it the first and last time I said it...

I remember some sanctimonious teacher sitting us down in primary school and telling us what ‘blimey’ was short for. It’s not a term I’d normally use, but would ‘f u c k me’ be any better? As in, f u c k me, the 555 is good. 

As for the quality of recordings, I’ve not noticed the 555 making poorer ones less satisfactory. In fact, everything I’ve played has sounded better. The better the system, the more everything sounds ok. Otherwise everyone with anything decent would only be listening to Brothers in Bloody arms or Dark Side of the ****ing Moon. 

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by Hook

Blimey, what a bloody good thread this is!  Enjoyed the “what fish is this setup like” digression, and I always appreciate a good dash of etimology. Now back to the 555PS, a f*cking wonderful component IME.

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by Harry

Try adding a second 555PS-DR to the NDS and see if you can avoid spontaneously uttering the "B" word.

Posted on: 26 November 2017 by nigelb

The use of two 555s and I suspect the f word might make an appearance!

I didn't say a 555 made poorer recording sound worse, just less of an improvement to the point that high expectations are not always fulfilled. ALL recordings sound better to me with the 555, it is just that the extra transparency it brings shows up poorer recordings for what they are.

Posted on: 27 November 2017 by nigelb
Hungryhalibut posted:
Innocent Bystander posted:
GraemeH posted:
joerand posted:

Warning - Don't Start a Thread with the Word 'Blimey'

nigelb posted:

The last (and only) two topics that started with the word 'Blimey' have been shut down by the Moderator for different (but valid) reasons.  

 Safe to assume that starting a thread with the word 'Bloody' is also not a good choice?

‘Blimey’ trumps ‘Bloody’.

Three to avoid!

G

"Blimey" is actually a condensed form of the request "God blind me". Being told that when I once used the word as a child was effective in making it the first and last time I said it...

I remember some sanctimonious teacher sitting us down in primary school and telling us what ‘blimey’ was short for. It’s not a term I’d normally use, but would ‘f u c k me’ be any better? As in, f u c k me, the 555 is good. 

As for the quality of recordings, I’ve not noticed the 555 making poorer ones less satisfactory. In fact, everything I’ve played has sounded better. The better the system, the more everything sounds ok. Otherwise everyone with anything decent would only be listening to Brothers in Bloody arms or Dark Side of the ****ing Moon. 

The CD version I have of DSOTM sounds bl**dy awful, whatever system it is played on. Hence I think I need to be a bit more selective in the CDs I buy, if they come in different mastered versions to get the best from a more transparent system. Might also need to chase down hi res downloads if they exist.

PS, Anyone know where I can get the 'Dark Side of the ****ing Moon' CD version - it appears to be rather good! 

Posted on: 27 November 2017 by Mike-B
nigelb posted:

The CD version I have of DSOTM sounds bl**dy awful, whatever system it is played on. Hence I think I need to be a bit more selective in the CDs I buy, if they come in different mastered versions to get the best from a more transparent system. Might also need to chase down hi res downloads if they exist. 

Sorry to say that no high res versions are available Nigel,  best available is the 30th anniversary SACD + CD dual layer,   easily recognised by the block like lines dissecting the light spectrum colours & the boarder line around the art.  

Posted on: 27 November 2017 by The Strat (Fender)

Have to say Mike I have that copy and I’m not impressed at least with the red book.