272

No quarter posted:

The 272 is the closest thing to a Swiss Army knife Naim has.

No, that was the UnitiLite, but let's say goodbye to it. 

I once called RAI during a transmission about politics, and said: I am 60, will I live long enough not to hear about Berlusconi anymore? They quoted my question, sharing it in part...

Now I am 64, and asking: will I live long enough not to....

Aceone posted:

Could anyone tell me how good is the preamp on the 272 ,is it as good as 282 or 252 plz .

Add an external power supply and a good power cable and you'll end up between 282 and 252.

You ask a question...

Japtimscarlet posted:

What is the obsession with making the 272 the peak of naims achievement?

And then answer it yourself...

I would not say it's a completely different league to the old 82 ...but I have gained a streamer and not increased box count..so am happy

(IMO) it’s not that the 272 is the peak of Naim’s achievement in terms of absolute sound quality, however they have combined two units (the streamer and preamp) into one with very little loss of quality compared with the separates and at a (relatively) affordable price.

Dan.S posted:

Aceone posted:

Could anyone tell me how good is the preamp on the 272 ,is it as good as 282 or 252 plz .

Add an external power supply and a good power cable and you'll end up between 282 and 252.

Between NDX/XPS/SN and NDX/XPS/202.  Earlier this year during a similar debate one forum member went off to a very reputable dealer to put it to the test and came back and posted that as good as the 272 is it’s lackng compared with a 282. 

Eloise posted:

(IMO) it’s not that the 272 is the peak of Naim’s achievement in terms of absolute sound quality, however they have combined two units (the streamer and preamp) into one with very little loss of quality compared with the separates and at a (relatively) affordable price.

Spot on. 

Am I right that the 272 has multiple pre-outs contrary to the 282/202/252 and therefore the 272 is an ideal multiroom pre-amp?

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Dan.S posted:

Aceone posted:

Could anyone tell me how good is the preamp on the 272 ,is it as good as 282 or 252 plz .

Add an external power supply and a good power cable and you'll end up between 282 and 252.

Between NDX/XPS/SN and NDX/XPS/202.  Earlier this year during a similar debate one forum member went off to a very reputable dealer to put it to the test and came back and posted that as good as the 272 is it’s lackng compared with a 282. 

Having lived with both the above combinations, and a 282 for some time I’d respectufully disagree. Particularly in relation to the SN2/202 comment.

I’d be happy enough if the 272 were at that level mind...It’s just that it’s not - ime.

G

yeti42 posted:

The price is a clue.

Not necessarily...

Ardbeg10y posted:

Am I right that the 272 has multiple pre-outs contrary to the 282/202/252 and therefore the 272 is an ideal multiroom pre-amp?

Not really. It has two preamp outputs. The hicap or supercap that would power one of the separate preamps has three. The volume of the different power amps cannot be controlled independently, so I’m not sure any of them would be ‘ideal’. 

Ardbeg10y posted:

Am I right that the 272 has multiple pre-outs contrary to the 282/202/252 and therefore the 272 is an ideal multiroom pre-amp?

It has two DIN and one stereo RCA preout but they are not independently controllable so therefore should not be considered as a "multiroom" source...

Phil

Thanks HH + Phil. It remains an interesting functionality for me despite your replies for the following reason: I work 2 days per week in the livingroom (kids at school, wife working), and 3 days per week in the homeoffice (wife at home + 1 year old). I could connect my livingroom system to it (currently supernait + bw CM1's) and my officesystem (which is currently hicapdr/snaxo bmr/2xnap200 and the Ovators). When I work in my living, it does not hurt anybody if the music sounds in my homeoffice too - its pretty good isolated.

But - can the preamp outs be switched off individually using the Naim App?

No. 

Ardbeg10y posted:

<<SNIP>>

But - can the preamp outs be switched off individually using the Naim App?

No - they cannot be individually controlled in any way...

Cheers

Phil

Phil Harris posted:

Ardbeg10y posted:

Am I right that the 272 has multiple pre-outs contrary to the 282/202/252 and therefore the 272 is an ideal multiroom pre-amp?

It has two DIN and one stereo RCA preout but they are not independently controllable so therefore should not be considered as a "multiroom" source...

Phil... while not independently selectable, could the fixed level (RCA) output be connected to a separate integrated amp (or to an input of another pre-amp) to provide a basic 2-room source?

Eloise posted:

Phil Harris posted:

Ardbeg10y posted:

Am I right that the 272 has multiple pre-outs contrary to the 282/202/252 and therefore the 272 is an ideal multiroom pre-amp?

It has two DIN and one stereo RCA preout but they are not independently controllable so therefore should not be considered as a "multiroom" source...

Phil... while not independently selectable, could the fixed level (RCA) output be connected to a separate integrated amp (or to an input of another pre-amp) to provide a basic 2-room source?

I hope and think so, however my name is not HH or Phil. A 272 + PS would make more sense to me if I can use it in the different places where I sit.

I hope so, that’s what mine does. It feeds into a preinstalled rest of the house system powered by a Teac integrated amp.

kassos posted:

I hope so, that’s what mine does. It feeds into a preinstalled rest of the house system powered by a Teac integrated amp.

Yep, this is more or less what I do (RCA out of 272 fixed level to Nait XS2 in second room) works really well. 

Eloise posted:

Phil Harris posted:

Ardbeg10y posted:

Am I right that the 272 has multiple pre-outs contrary to the 282/202/252 and therefore the 272 is an ideal multiroom pre-amp?

It has two DIN and one stereo RCA preout but they are not independently controllable so therefore should not be considered as a "multiroom" source...

Phil... while not independently selectable, could the fixed level (RCA) output be connected to a separate integrated amp (or to an input of another pre-amp) to provide a basic 2-room source?

Hi,

Yes but it's hardly an elegant solution...

Phil

Tape Out on my NAC works extremely well into a Uniti Qute2 Aux In.  It sounds better than the streamer and FM onboard the Qute.  

I use a Denon AV pre as a midpoint/hub, to allow for more distribution destinations.  

This setup meets my requirements perfectly, as it prioritizes sound quality, delivered by NDX/nDAC/555 to all zones, and synchronization of music across many zones.  I would not have it any other way.

Nick

I’m not in the know on this stuff but isn’t the proper way to do multi-room with a Core or NAS or similar and then use Musos or 272 etc in each room?

My way gets me FM and analog to all zones, in addition to my lossless rips from the NAS.  I don’t know how to do that over a network.  

I have tried Party Mode from the NDX to the Qute, but the sound quality is obviously lower.

Network play is cheaper than analogue distribution, and it is simpler to install — the compromises in usability and sound quality are the price you pay.

Nick