Atom plus speakers - my experiences to date. What are others using ?

Posted by: Cato on 13 December 2017

I've had an Atom now for 4 months or so and pairing it with some Neat Iotas. First of all, despite some market griping about functionality, software etc I must say mine has been performing flawlessly from day one - no glitches or hitches and does exactly what I want it to do -  this said, my set-up is very simple and I can imagine there will be users who demand more and who also are infinitely more tech savvy than me and have other requirements . My room is about 30X12 feet and the speakers are placed near the rear wall and fire across - hence I sit probably around 9-10 feet from speakers. 

But, this is not about functionality but speaker pairing -  When I bought the Atom I listened to a handful of speakers:

Elac 310 - was in a large room and the tiny speakers struggled a bit to fill the space - this said, superb tweeter and high frequency extension and may well have worked better in a smaller room

Neat Motive 2 and 3 - liked the 3 better than the 2s (better definition, slightly crisper and easier to follow individual instruments) but in both cases the sound came across as a bit warm and muffled and didn't really engage me

Neat Iota - bough these; very quick, crisp and engaging sound but ultimately, and obviously given the size of the speaker, rather limited in bass extension. When cranking up the volume they do come alive and give a pretty good facsimile of much bigger speakers. But they do need some welly to get there

Sf Chameleon B - non-descript, pleasant, slightly warm, not particularly detailed or engaging

ATC SC7 - wonderful in many ways but require current and whilst the result was quite decent with the Atom, a Nova would probably deliver the current that these speakers need.

Proac Tablette 10s - I really wanted to like these; I have owned the original Tabs, the 1 SCs, the Response 1.5s etc in the past and always a proac fan. however, I must confess to being somewhat disappointed in the result; could have been the room and probably many other factors but I found the result a bit shut in, imaging strictly between the speakers with restricted soundstage, lack of immediacy and presence - all opposite of what many think the Tab 10s do well... maybe I have simply mislaid my hearing faculties...but end result was that they didn't grab me and I didn't buy

Hence, I have the Iotas but wonder what else is worth listening to - I like the ribbon tweeter and the out of the box sound and disappearing act and last but not least, ability to place close to a rear wall - but sometimes wish for more bottom end, more presence and weight at lower sound levels.

I am keen, but not necessairly dead set, to stick with monitor speakers rather than bulky floorstanders, my budget is very flexible, don't really mind if more expensive than the Atom (mullet approach), say even up to £3k or so, just want to get it right -

What have other Atom owners ended up with ? What else is worth exploring for me ?

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 29 December 2017 by Gazza

Your speakers are excellent, particularly for their portrayal of high and mid range and soundstage. You just sounded like you may be looking for more dynamics and low end performance, which is where a compact floorstander might better your speakers. Try the Nova with your speakers in a demo, if happy, then it’s your music and ears which is fine. If you think you are still missing something from the performance, ask your dealer to try something with a bit more low end dynamics.

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by ChrisSU
Freedomsounds posted:

I have read on this site that with Naim amps music performance is not enhanced when speakers are run bi-wired ? Is there any truth to this ? Or if it is true, why is it ? And has anyone here run there speakers bi-wired though a Nova ? or any other Naim amp ?  Thanks 

I once tried biwiring with an older Naim power amp. It seemed to run a little hotter, and it certainly didn’t sound any better, so I followed Naim’s advice and changed to single wire. 

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by Richard Dane

Freedomsounds, Naim don’t recommend Bi-wiring with their amps. One of the best ways to improve most bi-wirable speakers is to remove what are often cheap and nasty metal links and replace with either cable or have your speaker cables wired with flying leads or F connector style. 

Then again, one member recently reported preferring the supplied links on their Proacs, so worth experimenting I reckon..

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by Freedomsounds

Thank you Richard

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by Freedomsounds
Gazza posted:

Your speakers are excellent, particularly for their portrayal of high and mid range and soundstage. You just sounded like you may be looking for more dynamics and low end performance, which is where a compact floorstander might better your speakers. Try the Nova with your speakers in a demo, if happy, then it’s your music and ears which is fine. If you think you are still missing something from the performance, ask your dealer to try something with a bit more low end dynamics.

 

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by thatsmynaim

I'm using my atom with B&W CM8's, the detail is lovely but just occasionally i find a little more weight is needed, i then fire up my sub which makes all the difference

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by Freedomsounds

Thank you gazza for your well defined reply. If I were to ask your opinion, what do you think for a single wired speaker cable would be a great fit for these two combinations (nova-cm6) ? 

And are you a proponent of using a sub with compact speakers & do you think that would be a viable option ?

To be honest, I have really been getting the itch for a pair of really good medium size floorstanders lately but, that's farther up the road & im not sure what to look for.  Thanks you have been a big help.

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by Gazza

I am still putting my system together, so I have gone with the speaker cable recommended by Naim and my dealer for Nova which is Naim NACA5. It’s a great cable, yes there are better ones at much higher cost but their true potential needs much better front end and amp than the Nova actually can deliver. As for subs, I have never used or heard one, there are people on the forum such as [@mention:36201736971392588] who have that experience to guide you on that question.

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by Crabby
thatsmynaim posted:

I'm using my atom with B&W CM8's, the detail is lovely but just occasionally i find a little more weight is needed, i then fire up my sub which makes all the difference

Useful info.

do you mind clarifying which sub you have or recommend? How you plug it with atom ? (Been told several ways so I better ask you) 

cheers 

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by thatsmynaim
Crabby posted:
thatsmynaim posted:

I'm using my atom with B&W CM8's, the detail is lovely but just occasionally i find a little more weight is needed, i then fire up my sub which makes all the difference

Useful info.

do you mind clarifying which sub you have or recommend? How you plug it with atom ? (Been told several ways so I better ask you) 

cheers 

I'm using a Velodyne SPL1000Ultra  which has both low and high level inputs, my atom is in my cinema so i use the sub for both, with the atom connected to the high level inputs and my av receiver connected to the low level LFE connection.   I also have a Rel T9i still in it's box which i have yet to try, i've read the Rel integrates better for music but doesn't have as much impact for movies so as yet i'm undecided as i mainly use the Velodyne for movies and only occasionally with the atom.  

The velodyne does have built in room eq and a 4 way setting once it's done it's measurements, it's very impressive.

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by Freedomsounds

Crabby, I was thinking of a Rel T7i  and how it might integrated with the Naim & cm 6s for music. So, please when you finally crack the T9 out of the box for use please give an update !  Thanks

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by Freedomsounds

I have audioquest Rocket 44 bi-wire cables for the CM6s now and really did not want to scrape those to go with another cable now, but who knows, maybe it might end up being a blessing in disguise, anyway,  any help in the cable department fellows would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by ChrisSU
Freedomsounds posted:

I have audioquest Rocket 44 bi-wire cables for the CM6s now and really did not want to scrape those to go with another cable now, but who knows, maybe it might end up being a blessing in disguise, anyway,  any help in the cable department fellows would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

My suggestion would be to ask your dealer if you can borrow a demo set of Naim's NACA5 cable. (I don't know how obliging US dealers are, but in the UK, this would not be considered an unreasonable request.) With this cable, you can be sure that the amp in the Nova is performing as Naim intended, and that gives you a benchmark against which to compare other cables. 

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by Freedomsounds

Thanks you  for the smart  advice Chrissu, that an excellent idea . I was kinda wanting to try them, but felt I would get better performance out of an after market cable. That an American thing  I guess! Lol  Will do ! Thank you.

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by ChrisSU
Freedomsounds posted:

....felt I would get better performance out of an after market cable....

I think it's easy to be 'wowed' by something that sounds better on first impressions, but which can sometimes turn out to be just different rather than better.

Posted on: 30 December 2017 by Freedomsounds

I hear ya

Posted on: 02 January 2018 by Freedomsounds

Hey, does anyone have any suggestions on whats best to use to replace the metal connectors connecting the biwire terminals so I can use a full-range cable to the best of its ability ?

Posted on: 02 January 2018 by Eloise
Freedomsounds posted:

Hey, does anyone have any suggestions on whats best to use to replace the metal connectors connecting the biwire terminals so I can use a full-range cable to the best of its ability ?

A short length of the same cable you use for the rest of the speaker cable is ideal.  See if you can get made (or make yourself) a couple of banana to spades, or even solder two banana plugs to the end of the cable.

Posted on: 02 January 2018 by Freedomsounds

Thank you Eloise, Is anything like that manufactured and sold ? I have a pair of audioquest Rocket 44 bi-wire that I was thinking of connecting full-range.

Posted on: 02 January 2018 by Simon-in-Suffolk

I agree with Eloise, if you can solder two sets of plugs onto the cables so it’s in the shape of an ‘F’ I find that  works well and is what I use. Your dealer can usually make this up for you for no or marginal cost.

 

Posted on: 02 January 2018 by Freedomsounds

Also, without meaning to change the subject matter, does anyone out there know of a better program (such as J-river) to use to manage & transfer files that are on a computer to a file player (pono) that I use in my car ? I am useing j-river now, but don't like it. I figure there should be something better out ?

Posted on: 02 January 2018 by Freedomsounds

Thank you Simon, guess I will try that .

Posted on: 02 January 2018 by ChrisSU
Freedomsounds posted:

Also, without meaning to change the subject matter, does anyone out there know of a better program (such as J-river) to use to manage & transfer files that are on a computer to a file player (pono) that I use in my car ? I am useing j-river now, but don't like it. I figure there should be something better out ?

Can’t you just connect the Pono to your computer and drag & drop music folders onto it? That’s what I do with my Sony portable player, no extra software required. 

Posted on: 02 January 2018 by Mike-B
Freedomsounds posted:

Thank you Simon, guess I will try that .

First thing is to get rid on the AQ Rocket with its high C low L & replace it with some simple non-bi-wire pair cables like a Chord, TQ or NACA5,  then when you've done the soldering to get the "F" connections to replace the metal links,  you will be all set.  

I believe your CM6 speakers have a similar angled binding post block as mine.  

Posted on: 02 January 2018 by Freedomsounds

On a mac they don't show up because apple does not support flac. You have to go dig into your files to find them and they don't drag and drop. At least not for me. I'm not that techie. When pono first launched j-river ran there program, but when pono went under a couple of years later j-river started charging for ther program, the problem I have with there program is I don't feel it's that good and needs to be updated & simplified.