Naim new products 2018

Pcd posted:

james n posted:

Pcd posted:

I would like to see a decent one box headphone amplifier with remote volume control.

Isn't that the DAC-V1 or are you wanting an updated Headline  (which isn't strictly one box) ?

Updated Headline with remote volume of some sort.

Quite a neat idea. The headline is a bit long in the tooth (sound design though) so perhaps not too much to gain there. Given headphone listening popularity though...

Popeye posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Popeye posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Well, if there is no new and better streaming preamp on the way, think of all the money to be saved. I’m sure I shall survive with the good old 272, which is really not that bad. 

Guys being the new owner of an NDX, If a new model is to be realised, what extra is it likely to be able to do over the existing one, other than displaying album art and maybe able to support Roon. Sonically is there likely to be much of a difference? 

Only time will tell, but I think it’s reasonably safe to say it will have the same range of functions as the new Unitis. Better WiFi, more buffering, Chromecast, Airplay etc. 

This is where I find things get interesting and see how the new uniti series targets a different market as I don't imagine many true audiophiles using the classic series products overly bothered about chromecast and airplay. Most using NDX/NDS/272 must be using ethernet surely.

I actually didn't like the Nova screen that I had as it was so bright and I just wanted the screen off like it is on my NDX. 

Given the increasing popularity of web streaming services, I wouldn't underestimate the importance of Chromecast. Naim wanted to move away from the built-in support they provide for Spotify and Tidal, as it is a lot of hassle to implement it, and sustain it, and then fend off the howls of protest from those who want Deezer, Qobuz or Apple Music instead. Not to mention BBC iPlayer Radio, Soundcloud, Bandcamp, Radio Paradise FLAC, etc, etc. There will always be new services to add to the list, and there is no way Naim have the resources to implement all of them. Between Chromecast and Airplay, most of these streams become accessible, and they are both lossless.

I do agree about the screen, though. I would prefer not to have one and do everything via the app, or at least be able to turn it off. 

ChrisSU posted:

Popeye posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Popeye posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Well, if there is no new and better streaming preamp on the way, think of all the money to be saved. I’m sure I shall survive with the good old 272, which is really not that bad. 

Guys being the new owner of an NDX, If a new model is to be realised, what extra is it likely to be able to do over the existing one, other than displaying album art and maybe able to support Roon. Sonically is there likely to be much of a difference? 

Only time will tell, but I think it’s reasonably safe to say it will have the same range of functions as the new Unitis. Better WiFi, more buffering, Chromecast, Airplay etc. 

This is where I find things get interesting and see how the new uniti series targets a different market as I don't imagine many true audiophiles using the classic series products overly bothered about chromecast and airplay. Most using NDX/NDS/272 must be using ethernet surely.

I actually didn't like the Nova screen that I had as it was so bright and I just wanted the screen off like it is on my NDX. 

Given the increasing popularity of web streaming services, I wouldn't underestimate the importance of Chromecast. Naim wanted to move away from the built-in support they provide for Spotify and Tidal, as it is a lot of hassle to implement it, and sustain it, and then fend off the howls of protest from those who want Deezer, Qobuz or Apple Music instead. Not to mention BBC iPlayer Radio, Soundcloud, Bandcamp, Radio Paradise FLAC, etc, etc. There will always be new services to add to the list, and there is no way Naim have the resources to implement all of them. Between Chromecast and Airplay, most of these streams become accessible, and they are both lossless.

I do agree about the screen, though. I would prefer not to have one and do everything via the app, or at least be able to turn it off. 

Isn't that why we have Bluetooth Aptx!?

Popeye posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Popeye posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Popeye posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Well, if there is no new and better streaming preamp on the way, think of all the money to be saved. I’m sure I shall survive with the good old 272, which is really not that bad. 

Guys being the new owner of an NDX, If a new model is to be realised, what extra is it likely to be able to do over the existing one, other than displaying album art and maybe able to support Roon. Sonically is there likely to be much of a difference? 

Only time will tell, but I think it’s reasonably safe to say it will have the same range of functions as the new Unitis. Better WiFi, more buffering, Chromecast, Airplay etc. 

This is where I find things get interesting and see how the new uniti series targets a different market as I don't imagine many true audiophiles using the classic series products overly bothered about chromecast and airplay. Most using NDX/NDS/272 must be using ethernet surely.

I actually didn't like the Nova screen that I had as it was so bright and I just wanted the screen off like it is on my NDX. 

Given the increasing popularity of web streaming services, I wouldn't underestimate the importance of Chromecast. Naim wanted to move away from the built-in support they provide for Spotify and Tidal, as it is a lot of hassle to implement it, and sustain it, and then fend off the howls of protest from those who want Deezer, Qobuz or Apple Music instead. Not to mention BBC iPlayer Radio, Soundcloud, Bandcamp, Radio Paradise FLAC, etc, etc. There will always be new services to add to the list, and there is no way Naim have the resources to implement all of them. Between Chromecast and Airplay, most of these streams become accessible, and they are both lossless.

I do agree about the screen, though. I would prefer not to have one and do everything via the app, or at least be able to turn it off. 

Isn't that why we have Bluetooth Aptx!?

Not really, Bluetooth is not lossy, can only send a stream from the device you are using such as a phone, and is wireless, with very limited range. Chromecast is none of those.

Can we stop this endless requoting?

Is having the Chromecast dongle connected just the same as Chromecast integrated?

Hungryhalibut posted:

Can we stop this endless requoting?

What do you mean?

Popeye posted:

Is having the Chromecast dongle connected just the same as Chromecast integrated?

I’m guessing... but I suspect the Chromecast is more integrated.  Start sending something it switches to Chromecast input, volume adjust integrated, etc.

Foot tapper posted:

What do you mean?

I suspect he finds quoting the whole of the previous posts adinfinitym rather fishy...

2018 was to bring me a 272/250DR but i had a listen to a Devialet Expert 220 Pro... and now own one. Still a one box system that easily bettered the 272/250DR combo and no need to add a PSU. 

spacey posted:

2018 was to bring me a 272/250DR but i had a listen to a Devialet Expert 220 Pro... and now own one. Still a one box system that easily bettered the 272/250DR combo and no need to add a PSU. 

And you had both combo's home doing a serious compare ? or is rather this months "easily flavour"

Popeye posted:

Is having the Chromecast dongle connected just the same as Chromecast integrated?

In terms of stream functionality, they are likely equivalent. But Naim have said that their goal was to optimize sound quality on this dedicated, integrated input - and so implemented their own version from the API. It is this stance that, I believe, justifies their position that providing one “service agnostic” connection protocol with the audiophile touch is the universal solution moving forward. 

That said, I have read no comparison reports from someone testing the same service but casting directly to a new Uniti versus to some external device that provides a digital signal to a regular input... 

Regards alan

Firmware update for 272 to support DSD 128.

analogmusic posted:

Perol posted:

Solid Air posted:

Perol: It's in the nature of a forum that people post their opinions, and each will be of more or less interest to others. For some, the box count is important, for others, not. To criticise one element of the discussion as 'pointless' is to assume your priorities matter more than other people's.

my opinion doesn't matter more, it wasn't meant as critic as such, just meaning the box count is pretty pointless or one single posters preaching.

However I think this remark below is more like "assuming his priority matters"

"Who wants their sitting room to look like something from a hifi show?"

you do have a strange choice of words, "preaching".

And HH is 100 % right, not many people, if any, want their living room to look like a hi-fi show.

Those ones will get Davialet not 5 black box naim tower....

How is a 272/555/300 five boxes? 

Re the OP’s topic, I’d have thought that there might be a lot of commercial mileage for Naim in launching a range of LuminaLite cables. Must be a lot of users who’d happily spend a bit more than NACA5 and the standard cables cost in the pursuit of better sound, but will never spring for SuperLumina prices.

Naim have already started the ball rolling with the Powerline Lite (and of course Fraimlite) and I assume HiLine IC has been a decent seller, so surely the next move is a range of cables at around a third of the price of SL ?

Hands up who would be in the market for those if they gave a worthwhile musical uplift on standard cables?

Kevin - you read my mind. Exactly my thinking and I almost posted an identical message on here because it seems like such an obvious move. While LuminaLite does not exist, it feels like a real missed opportunity. 

Interesting, perhaps the cable without the fancy air plug connectors, just standard high quality banana connectors.

Emre posted:

analogmusic posted:

Perol posted:

Solid Air posted:

Perol: It's in the nature of a forum that people post their opinions, and each will be of more or less interest to others. For some, the box count is important, for others, not. To criticise one element of the discussion as 'pointless' is to assume your priorities matter more than other people's.

my opinion doesn't matter more, it wasn't meant as critic as such, just meaning the box count is pretty pointless or one single posters preaching.

However I think this remark below is more like "assuming his priority matters"

"Who wants their sitting room to look like something from a hifi show?"

you do have a strange choice of words, "preaching".

And HH is 100 % right, not many people, if any, want their living room to look like a hi-fi show.

Those ones will get Davialet not 5 black box naim tower....

Hahaha sorry I counted my cd2x.... my mistake

Perol posted:

spacey posted:

2018 was to bring me a 272/250DR but i had a listen to a Devialet Expert 220 Pro... and now own one. Still a one box system that easily bettered the 272/250DR combo and no need to add a PSU. 

And you had both combo's home doing a serious compare ? or is rather this months "easily flavour"

 

No not at all, its been a very long and considered upgrade with lots of options tried and tested, in and out of my own environment. 

full system details: Devialet Expert 220 Pro / ProAc SM100's / Custom Design SQ404 speaker stands / QNAP TS251+ 8GB RAM 2x1TB Sandisk ultra II SSDs / roon core. 

Being 100% server based the whole system makes more sense to me than a pre/PSU/power. Its as focused as it sounds. 

spacey posted:

Perol posted:

spacey posted:

2018 was to bring me a 272/250DR but i had a listen to a Devialet Expert 220 Pro... and now own one. Still a one box system that easily bettered the 272/250DR combo and no need to add a PSU. 

And you had both combo's home doing a serious compare ? or is rather this months "easily flavour"

 

No not at all, its been a very long and considered upgrade with lots of options tried and tested, in and out of my own environment. 

full system details: Devialet Expert 220 Pro / ProAc SM100's / Custom Design SQ404 speaker stands / QNAP TS251+ 8GB RAM 2x1TB Sandisk ultra II SSDs / roon core. 

Being 100% server based the whole system makes more sense to me than a pre/PSU/power. Its as focused as it sounds. 

Thanks !

Hi guys,

I'm new to this forum. I'm owner of B&W 804 D3 with B&W DB3D Sub and a Lyngdorf TDAI-2170 (they call it "Power-DAC", 2x85 watts into 8ohm, RoomPerfect Digital Room Correction and Actice Bass Management). I want to step up from the TDAI-2170 and switch to naim maybe. Because of my wife the aesthetics of the hifi equipment is important too (more or less).

I'm between buying a Naim Uniti Nova or the Lyngdorf TDAI-3400 (the bigger brother of the TDAI-2170 released right now with 2x200 watts into 8ohm, two of Naim Nova's 4th generation Sharc processor with 3,0 MFLOPS, RoomPerfect Digital Room Correction, Actice Bass Management and a media player).

I had the Naim Uniti Nova last week for comparison at home and it sounded more open, more dynamic and more detailed than my TDAI-2170 in a 2.0 configuration, even with RoomPerfect active. The TDAI-2170 was first equal to the Nova by activating my sub for the 2.1 configuration, because the sub integration was better with the TDAI-2170. But w/o sub there was a noticeable difference in clearity and dynamics. I did the comparison 2.0 and 2.1 because I actually want to sell my sub again. I'm just a little bit concerned about the 2x80 watts of the Nova, because the sound quality decreases at loud volume levels (a volume level of 60 and above) to my ears with my speakers. That's why I'm thinking about a NAC-N 272 (successor) combined with a NAP 250/300 DR (successor).

Do you know if there will be released a NAC-N 272 successor and NAP 250/300 DR successor this year in 2018? And do you know if there will be some design changes to these components like new cases, Nova's display and/or volume control, white light instead of green light, some light modernization, etc.?

Thank's for the information and for helping me a little bit!

I think a new 250/300 is a definite no, they were updated relatively recently to discrete regulation status, hence the DR designation 250dr etc. I think a 272 replacement is unlikely this year, though a new high end 500 series streamer is pretty certain. For myself I currently use a Nova into a Nap300 dr whilst waiting for the new streamers.

We don't know anything about new products - Naim are keeping quiet. The upcoming Bristol show in February may provide an indication.

You've obviously done a demo, which is the first step, so now you're into the fun/agony of decisions.

I would be wary of assuming more watts are 'better' or more able to fill the room at the volume you want. An amp with the same watts output but of higher quality may be what you need or, of course, better preamp and sources. It's all about getting the right balance for you and your ears.

The 272/300DR is doubtless a big improvement, but a different league in terms of cost. You may find the 272/250DR to your taste for less money; it's been found by owners on this forum to be a great combination.

Good luck with your purchase, and enjoy the music!

Gazza posted:

I think a new 250/300 is a definite no, they were updated relatively recently to discrete regulation status, hence the DR designation 250dr etc. I think a 272 replacement is unlikely this year, though a new high end 500 series streamer is pretty certain. For myself I currently use a Nova into a Nap300 dr whilst waiting for the new streamers.

And where did you hear that and from whom, Gazza? C’mon, share it with us!