Moving from Nova to classic series

There are literally thousands of posts on this, and no clear conclusion. It’s well worth searching the Forum. For what it’s worth, having owned a 202/200 in the past, I found it distinctly underwhelming without a napsc and Hicap, but very good with them. It’s ultimately a more flexible route, if that’s what you want. The NDX/Supernait 2 is another option well worth considering. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

There are literally thousands of posts on this, and no clear conclusion. It’s well worth searching the Forum. For what it’s worth, having owned a 202/200 in the past, I found it distinctly underwhelming without a napsc and Hicap, but very good with them. It’s ultimately a more flexible route, if that’s what you want. The NDX/Supernait 2 is another option well worth considering. 

yes sorry, i will do a search. thanks for your advise tho.

One vote for a "pre-loved" 272/250DR. Great value!

Popeye posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

There are literally thousands of posts on this, and no clear conclusion. It’s well worth searching the Forum. For what it’s worth, having owned a 202/200 in the past, I found it distinctly underwhelming without a napsc and Hicap, but very good with them. It’s ultimately a more flexible route, if that’s what you want. The NDX/Supernait 2 is another option well worth considering. 

yes sorry, i will do a search. thanks for your advise tho.

Please don’t apologise. I was simply suggesting that a search might help you. It’s something of a minefield. 

272/250 DR is fantastic,I have not heard the 202/200,I will also add,that I have never had a problem with my 272/250 working properly.

When I bought my current system, I spent quite a bit of time at my dealers listening to those two setups. For me, the NDX/202/200 was a very clear winner, and the 272 was only able to complete when it had an XPS added. 

To be fair to the 272/250, at no point did I dislike it, and if your speakers are hard to drive, the 250 may be a better option. Also, the 272 has a better volume control, and only needs 2 power sockets, so there are some practical advantages to it. 

Just for the record, my listening sessions were all with 272/250DR and NDX/202/NAPSC/200DR. 

ChrisSU posted:

Also, the 272 has a better volume control, and only needs 2 power sockets, so there are some practical advantages to it.

2 power sockets? Not even with an added XPS, you do not need 2 power sockets for the 272.

Dan.S posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Also, the 272 has a better volume control, and only needs 2 power sockets, so there are some practical advantages to it.

2 power sockets? Not even with an added XPS, you do not need 2 power sockets for the 272.

Well it does if you want to hear it because it needs a power-amp. 

Dan.S posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Also, the 272 has a better volume control, and only needs 2 power sockets, so there are some practical advantages to it.

2 power sockets? Not even with an added XPS, you do not need 2 power sockets for the 272.

Quite right - I meant for the system we were discussing, so one for the power amp too.

To be fair, NDX/202/200 also only needs 2 sockets, but the chances are you'll add a NAPSC, which then makes 3.

do many people use the NDX into supernait 2

Popeye posted:

do many people use the NDX into supernait 2

Yes, this is a classic Naim 2-box system, and if you are searching the used market, I would certainly put it on your shortlist. Personally, I prefer the presentation of the 202/200, but I could happily live with a Supernait. 

Popeye posted:

do many people use the NDX into supernait 2

 

Yes, works well for me!

have to say though that I moved to this before the 272 was launched so I didn’t do a back to back demo. It’s a matter of personal preference between NDX/SN2 & 272/250 from what forumites have said.

Theres also the option in both cases to move to a classic 3 box system with the addition of an XPS.

sorry you couldn’t get on with the Nova though, looks like a great one box’er.

Popeye posted:

do many people use the NDX into supernait 2

 

I used to run it like that - just SN and NDX. Sounds very good, clean and right.
Now it has somewhat grown into more boxes...

Popeye posted:

do many people use the NDX into supernait 2

 

I ordered the NDX & SN2 right at the year end to take advantage of the sales price of the NDX and before the price increase of 2018 for the SN2. I also listened to the 272/250DR and would have been happy with that configuration as well. The decision for easy for me since I found listening to the music from either of the configurations worked well for me and the cost for the NDX/SN2 was significantly less at the time of purchase. Still waiting for it to arrive in the shop.......

Two jumps at the same time from the XS series -- many congratulations!! I bet you can't wait for the arrival of your new black boxes. Apart from the price, how would you describe the difference between SN2/NDX and 272/250?

Many thanks!

seakayaker posted:

Popeye posted:

do many people use the NDX into supernait 2

 

I ordered the NDX & SN2 right at the year end to take advantage of the sales price of the NDX and before the price increase of 2018 for the SN2. I also listened to the 272/250DR and would have been happy with that configuration as well. The decision for easy for me since I found listening to the music from either of the configurations worked well for me and the cost for the NDX/SN2 was significantly less at the time of purchase. Still waiting for it to arrive in the shop.......

Very cool. I had an XS 2/ND5?before I bought 272/XPSDR/250DR. That was my second XS 2. I really liked that combo but think I made a great upgrade with my current setup. Hope you'll post your thoughts once you have it setup. 

I am inclined to suggest a 272/250DR. Reason being the 250DR can bring you far if you plan on future upgrades into pre/power.

sorry to hear of your experiences with the Nova. I auditioned for the Nova (which I liked) but went with the 272/250DR combo instead. I bought solely based on reading this forum without any audition. Am still waiting for the 272. 

Popeye posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

There are literally thousands of posts on this, and no clear conclusion. It’s well worth searching the Forum. For what it’s worth, having owned a 202/200 in the past, I found it distinctly underwhelming without a napsc and Hicap, but very good with them. It’s ultimately a more flexible route, if that’s what you want. The NDX/Supernait 2 is another option well worth considering. 

yes sorry, i will do a search. thanks for your advise tho.

With all due respect for HH's legitimate suggestion, I personally think that what with cellphones, tablets, the apps for the units in question, TVs, smart TVs, PC or Macs, we already spend an enormous amount of time looking at a screen, just like I am doing now. Spending hours on the so called 'search facility' is another way to wear our eyes out on another screen.

Using the search facility can be useful and I myself have done it in the past, but this is also a public forum, as is sometimes proudly reminded, not so different from a sort of club of similar and heterogeneous souls, and asking to have an immediate opinion is nothing reproachable.

If I were a member of a specialized club (astronomers, poets, feet fetishists, toy train enthusiasts) and each time I ask a fellow member for an info or opinion he replied 'go and search the library', I think I'd leave in two weeks.

Why do you apologize? What exactly have you done wrong in asking?

Best

Max

Hmmm sorry to hear, i am on to my 2nd Nova.

All i would is i choose the Nova, but longer term (as a stop gap) to the prediction (possibly flawed) Naim will upgrade the Classic series with the Uniti learning.

Obsydian posted:

All i would is i choose the Nova, but longer term (as a stop gap) to the prediction (possibly flawed) Naim will upgrade the Classic series with the Uniti learning.

Does this mean that the Classic series too will start to be delivered months late and one out of two samples will have flaws?

MAX-B - no idea but threw it in as a thought, like i said flawed (possibly), its akin to a i have the iPhone 8, shall i wait until the iPhone (even shinier and more expensive) is released 

But sods law, you take the plunge and ....

Thanks for all your replies. Due to my issues my dealer done me a fantastic deal on a supernait 2 and a NDX. 

Hopefully this will be a less problematic affair and be superior to the Nova.

Thanks again

Popeye

Many congratulations -- and ENJOY!!   I haven't heard the NDX, but the SN2 -- a really nice piece of gear.