Streaming with DSP

Asset UPnP from dbPoweramp can help. Free to try. 

cdboy posted:

Asset UPnP from dbPoweramp can help. Free to try. 

I can't find settings for DSP in Asset. ????

Why wouldn't you plug your headphones into the DAVE? It  has crossfeed, although you must be careful to turn it off when reverting to non-headphone listening as the setting persists. And you can just connect whatever is running JRiver to the Blu2 via USB and so use J River in non upnp mode and use J Rivers crossfeed and any other DSP you want.

likesmusic posted:

Why wouldn't you plug your headphones into the DAVE? It  has crossfeed, although you must be careful to turn it off when reverting to non-headphone listening as the setting persists. And you can just connect whatever is running JRiver to the Blu2 via USB and so use J River in non upnp mode and use J Rivers crossfeed and any other DSP you want.

Good question re Dave - it has avery good headphone output.

But a question about crossfeed: other than some recordings from the early days of stereo when instruments and vocals sometimes had hard panning to only one channel (thinking some early Beatles albums), what is the benefit of cross-feed? My old Hugo offered and now Dave ditto, but it just seems to squash the soundstage. (N.B I am not a regular headphone listener, so just curious.)

Innocent Bystander posted:

likesmusic posted:

Why wouldn't you plug your headphones into the DAVE? It  has crossfeed, although you must be careful to turn it off when reverting to non-headphone listening as the setting persists. And you can just connect whatever is running JRiver to the Blu2 via USB and so use J River in non upnp mode and use J Rivers crossfeed and any other DSP you want.

Good question re Dave - it has avery good headphone output.

But a question about crossfeed: other than some recordings from the early days of stereo when instruments and vocals sometimes had hard panning to only one channel (thinking some early Beatles albums), what is the benefit of cross-feed? My old Hugo offered and now Dave ditto, but it just seems to squash the soundstage. (N.B I am not a regular headphone listener, so just curious.)

Well, I'm not an expert, but as I understand it when you listen to stereo through loudspeakers a fair amount of what's coming out out the right hand speaker gets to your left ear, and vice versa. So there is inherent crosstalk, and the amount varies in frequency and delay because of the shape and size of your head. When you listen to the same thing through headphones there's no crosstalk, so it tends to be a bit more "right-lefty". The cross-feed in the DAVE or J River is an attempt to remedy that. For example, J River say "Audio is mixed between the contralateral and ipsalateral ears after modelling the frequency curve and time-delay associated with non-headphone listening.". I don't listen to headphones much, when I do I tend to use either DAVEs crossfeed or J Rivers. I have a hunch I prefer J Rivers. You have to be really careful with it on a DAVE. The setting persists even when you switch back to normal listening, but there is no visual indication of it, nor can you switch it off without reinserting a headphone jack. But you get a more mono sound. Very bad UI design imo.

There is a whole field of research and development to do with fancier forms of crossfeed. There is a thing called an HRTF - head related transfer function - and the hope is by modelling very precisely what your head and ears and body do to sound it will be possible to recreate a perfect live experience using headphones. Here is an article about the BBCs experiments:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26958946

Thanks

likesmusic posted:

Why wouldn't you plug your headphones into the DAVE? It  has crossfeed, although you must be careful to turn it off when reverting to non-headphone listening as the setting persists. And you can just connect whatever is running JRiver to the Blu2 via USB and so use J River in non upnp mode and use J Rivers crossfeed and any other DSP you want.

I currently have a Hugo and the hardware cross-feed is not nearly as good as JRiver. Also I would like to not have to worry about switching it on/off. I don't want to use a USB connection since my computer isn't in the same room.

Ideally I'd like to have two server instances one for speakers and one for headphones. 

After some research I've discovered that Roon supposedly does exactly what I want. Too bad my NDX will never work with Roon

Kevin Richardson posted:

likesmusic posted:

Why wouldn't you plug your headphones into the DAVE? It  has crossfeed, although you must be careful to turn it off when reverting to non-headphone listening as the setting persists. And you can just connect whatever is running JRiver to the Blu2 via USB and so use J River in non upnp mode and use J Rivers crossfeed and any other DSP you want.

I currently have a Hugo and the hardware cross-feed is not nearly as good as JRiver. Also I would like to not have to worry about switching it on/off. I don't want to use a USB connection since my computer isn't in the same room.

Ideally I'd like to have two server instances one for speakers and one for headphones. 

After some research I've discovered that Roon supposedly does exactly what I want. Too bad my NDX will never work with Roon

Well I have a (deliberately) modest fanless Acer 13" Windows 10 netbook laptop dedicated to my music. I stuck an SSD in so it is utterly silent. It runs the excellent J River more than adequately, and Qobuz  (which I am using more and more), and LMS (which I am hardly using.) J River is quite smart so if I can easily configure it to stream from a library elsewhere on my network. Have you considered using a modest fanless something or other to run a second version of JRiver straight into your Hugo, but pulling your music from either the other J River machine, or some other storage. Nothing stopping you having as many J River libraries as you want. When I see the misery other folk seem to go through with networks I feel quite satisfied with my simple set up. I can use JRemote on my iPad to control it, or if I want to do something fancy I can go direct to J River. I don't even need a network or ethernet. Even Qobuz stores caches a fair amount of music locally.

I tried roon a while back. It said it "understood classical music". All I can say is that my understanding of classical music is rather different from theirs. I wrote to them and complained. They agreed they had a long way to go.   I might try it again soon, though as it doesn't integrate with Qobuz I am not keen, and the whole MQA/Tidal thing gives me the heebie-jeebies. Rob Watts does not like MQA, so the delivered reality from Tidal may end up being messed up redbook rather than the uncontentious hires I get right now from Qobuz.

Innocent Bystander posted:

likesmusic posted:

Why wouldn't you plug your headphones into the DAVE? It  has crossfeed, although you must be careful to turn it off when reverting to non-headphone listening as the setting persists. And you can just connect whatever is running JRiver to the Blu2 via USB and so use J River in non upnp mode and use J Rivers crossfeed and any other DSP you want.

Good question re Dave - it has avery good headphone output.

But a question about crossfeed: other than some recordings from the early days of stereo when instruments and vocals sometimes had hard panning to only one channel (thinking some early Beatles albums), what is the benefit of cross-feed? My old Hugo offered and now Dave ditto, but it just seems to squash the soundstage. (N.B I am not a regular headphone listener, so just curious.)

JRiver cross feed sounds so natural. You can almost forget you are listening with headphones vs speakers. The other DSP features allows user to apply a digital equalizer to suit the particular headphones (My HD-800's benefit from a slight adjustment. This is minor vs cross feed)

You are right about Hugo's cross feed. It doesn't sound right to me. I'm sure Dave isn't much better.

likesmusic posted:

Why wouldn't you plug your headphones into the DAVE? It  has crossfeed, although you must be careful to turn it off when reverting to non-headphone listening as the setting persists. And you can just connect whatever is running JRiver to the Blu2 via USB and so use J River in non upnp mode and use J Rivers crossfeed and any other DSP you want.

Well I am hoping to keep my NDX relevant without adding another box. (I also do not have a free electric outlet.)

This would be an excellent solution if JRiver supported Tidal.