dbPowerAmp on Mac - help

Posted by: Alley Cat on 25 January 2018

It rips well, Accurate Rip is comforting, artwork lookup is ok, but I cannot seem to get it to save Artist, Album Artist and Album to the metadata in the individual tracks which I think is the reason Twonky isn't cataloguing things by Album or Artist whereas search by Folder works ok on the Naim app (quite like this anyway but clearly metadata ain't right!).

I don't find the app as intuitive as it might be with silly defaults such as low res max artwork size.

Anyhow, Mac users how to I set up a custom profile (tried to create one called One) to save Artist and Album to a track - don't find the online help that useful in this regard.  Do profiles auto-save as I can't see a save option - got one album to work now others don't as though it's the default?

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Adam Zielinski

Bottom left - you need to choose the settings you’d like and only then create a profile.

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Adam Zielinski

With ENCODER  is lit-up, go to NAMING, click SET

Another window opens.

Click on ‘Add Tag’ and choose the ones you’d like to encode with.

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Alley Cat
Adam Zielinski posted:

With ENCODER  is lit-up, go to NAMING, click SET

Another window opens.

Click on ‘Add Tag’ and choose the ones you’d like to encode with.

Thanks Adam - I'd assume that was to do with track naming not the actual metadata applied to the tracks but will experiment

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by jsaudio

While we are on the db Poweramp topic on Mac. I'm still confused as to to which compression setting to use in ripping FLAC to my NAS with the MAC desktop. Ive been using the last choice,uncompressed lossless but others have said that default level 5 is fine regarding SQ others have had other opinions. Any explanation

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Adam Zielinski
Alley Cat posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:

With ENCODER  is lit-up, go to NAMING, click SET

Another window opens.

Click on ‘Add Tag’ and choose the ones you’d like to encode with.

Thanks Adam - I'd assume that was to do with track naming not the actual metadata applied to the tracks but will experiment

Do try this one and let me know if it worked.

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Adam Zielinski
jsaudio posted:

While we are on the db Poweramp topic on Mac. I'm still confused as to to which compression setting to use in ripping FLAC to my NAS with the MAC desktop. Ive been using the last choice,uncompressed lossless but others have said that default level 5 is fine regarding SQ others have had other opinions. Any explanation

I don’t know - I rip to WAV and only occasionally - most of the CDs are ripped by my UnitiServe.

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Alley Cat
Alley Cat posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:

With ENCODER  is lit-up, go to NAMING, click SET

Another window opens.

Click on ‘Add Tag’ and choose the ones you’d like to encode with.

Thanks Adam - I'd assume that was to do with track naming not the actual metadata applied to the tracks but will experiment

Worth mentioning I've been ripping to WAV - could that be an explanation as I've seen differing reports on WAV metadata ability.

Must say that AAC/ALAC files from iTunes or Qobuz have generally been ok metadata wise whereas Qobuz WAV downloads have been hit and miss.

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Adam Zielinski

Try ripping to AIFF - it's the same uncompressed as WAV and metadata assignment seems to be less challenging.

AIFF is a native format for Apple Mac.

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Alley Cat
Adam Zielinski posted:
Alley Cat posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:

With ENCODER  is lit-up, go to NAMING, click SET

Another window opens.

Click on ‘Add Tag’ and choose the ones you’d like to encode with.

Thanks Adam - I'd assume that was to do with track naming not the actual metadata applied to the tracks but will experiment

Do try this one and let me know if it worked.

Not so far - it could be Twonky being a pile of unpleasantness, but all my AAC stuff from iTunes and older lossy rips seem ok metadata wise.

 

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Alley Cat
Adam Zielinski posted:

Try ripping to AIFF - it's the same uncompressed as WAV and metadata assignment seems to be less challenging.

AIFF is a native format for Apple Mac.

Good idea - had only recently changed to WAV from ALAC due to the fact that the consensus seemed to be that WAV sounded best on Naim streamers.

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Mike-B

Compression rates have no effect on eventual SQ as far I my experiments are concerned.   It gets unpacked by the server DLNA/UPnP software before its sent to the renderer,  so if there is a change in SQ it's a shortfall in the software.   However I've played with this a few times in the past with both my own & later a friends system & with both we had a hard time detecting any difference.    My buddy decided to settle for level 5 simply because its the dBpoweramp 'default',  he has not wanted to change since.    Myself,  I opted to forget FLAC & settled on WAV,  (1) It sounds better on my setup & (2)  my NAS did not transcode from FLAC to WAV gapless correctly.  To me it was the best solution all round, & NAS storage is cheap.

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Mike-B
Alley Cat posted:

Must say that AAC/ALAC files from iTunes or Qobuz have generally been ok metadata wise whereas Qobuz WAV downloads have been hit and miss.

I think you will find its not WAV thats the problem,  its Qobuz.    I had a download the other day that was a mess,  I fixed it OK & it was clear the errors were with Qobuz.   

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Alley Cat
Mike-B posted:
Alley Cat posted:

Must say that AAC/ALAC files from iTunes or Qobuz have generally been ok metadata wise whereas Qobuz WAV downloads have been hit and miss.

I think you will find its not WAV thats the problem,  its Qobuz.    I had a download the other day that was a mess,  I fixed it OK & it was clear the errors were with Qobuz.   

I'd not be surprised, however one Qobuz in Wav was dire, but same item downloaded as ALAC was ok- perhaps it varies, but this is something they need to sort out to remain viable.  I mentioned elsewhere I don't care too much about metadata so long as I can find an album and play it in track order, but it'd be nice to have proper metadata at the outset.

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by Mike-B

Just so Alley Cat,  I've found more problems than just the one I posted about.    To add a few of my other Qobuz erks,   I find all their album/metadata formatting very irritating;  the unnecessary 01-01 doubled up track numbers, the_underscore_links_between_ the_folder_artist_and_album-titles.  & & & etc.  I have to say HDTracks & HighResAudio & the lesser download vendors all seem to get it right & its rare that anything needs to be done with any editing,  I wonder why  Qobuz find it so difficult.

Posted on: 25 January 2018 by ChrisSU
jsaudio posted:

While we are on the db Poweramp topic on Mac. I'm still confused as to to which compression setting to use in ripping FLAC to my NAS with the MAC desktop. Ive been using the last choice,uncompressed lossless but others have said that default level 5 is fine regarding SQ others have had other opinions. Any explanation

I use maximum compression in FLAC, as no bits are lost by doing this. I then set the server to transcode to WAV on the fly, as this removes that workload (and the potential electrical noise it might generate) from the streamer.

Posted on: 26 January 2018 by Alley Cat
Alley Cat posted:
Alley Cat posted:
Adam Zielinski posted:

With ENCODER  is lit-up, go to NAMING, click SET

Another window opens.

Click on ‘Add Tag’ and choose the ones you’d like to encode with.

Thanks Adam - I'd assume that was to do with track naming not the actual metadata applied to the tracks but will experiment

Worth mentioning I've been ripping to WAV - could that be an explanation as I've seen differing reports on WAV metadata ability.

Must say that AAC/ALAC files from iTunes or Qobuz have generally been ok metadata wise whereas Qobuz WAV downloads have been hit and miss.

Ok, looks as though it may be an issue ripping to WAV - perhaps with dbPowerAmp for Mac or maybe it's Twonky, or just WAV - in fairness in the Preferences for metadata tags it seems to suggest lots of tags are stored by default but it does say format dependent.

Must try a WAV rip with XLD or similar to see if that still has issues.

Suspect it will be quicker to re-rip several CDs than to tweak the metadata or change format.

Posted on: 26 January 2018 by Alley Cat

Also interestingly the ALAC rip seems to use multiple cores to encode if the rip is quick each track gets a separate core to encode.

Perhaps it's all down to different libraries used for encoding on Mac, possible difference to PC?