naim hdx connection to router .. too far!

Hi Davidsblue. is there any way of getting a cable from hub to ndx?? 

I had BT move my incoming line from the hall to give the BT hub a location in the room with audio & TV, thereby avoiding ethernet routing via up, through & down two solid walls & a section through a roof void.  They also removed all the old & now unused extensions for phone & fax machines (extensions are not good for best broadband performance)    The BT cable routing was around the outside of the house.  Best £130 for such a simple solution I've spent.  

Another solution to look into - & avoid the BT Mini Hub solution,  yes they are EoP - Look instead into the various MESH wifi expansion systems that are available.

Finkfan posted:

Hi Davidsblue. is there any way of getting a cable from hub to ndx?? 

sadly not without taking spending a lot of cash on expensive cabling. toooooo far 

I had a similar problem, BT HH in one room and wanted to connect SU, tv etc in another on other side of house. We had cat6 ethernet cabling routed round the outside of the house. Cost approx £120 including wall mounted termination boxes and outdoor spec cable. Cable length used was around 40m (well within ethernet specs). Network solid and sound quality much improved over the previous solution which was EoP. Very happy.

Did the same, in conduit around the side of the house, cost was £140.

Cable is best and Cat6 is not expensive. However, if your BT mini hub power adaptors are working reliably, you might be OK sticking with them.

You could see if feeding the PoE into a good switch (such as Cisco 2960 8tc) gets you where you want to be. This switch is recommended by many on this forum and in refurbished form can be obtained from Used Cisco for 64€ inc delivery. If there is such thing as a PoE with a fibre connection you could use the fibre port of the 2960 to be rid of the PoE issues. Given the PoE is only used for internet access speed is not an issue. 

Phil

davidsblue posted:

Finkfan posted:

Hi Davidsblue. is there any way of getting a cable from hub to ndx?? 

sadly not without taking spending a lot of cash on expensive cabling. toooooo far 

How far are we talking? You can get 20m of cat6 for £20. Or is the location difficult to get to?

ok. that’s interesting. glad i asked then. was told it was a lot more. thank you for info 

David - all you need is a regular CAT5e or CAT6 cable - they cost less than EUR 1 / meter or even less.
Both categories are designed to handle runs of up to 100 meters without any signal loss.

My suggestion is to buy a lenght of a regular cable as a test and just run it on a floor as a temporary solution. If you like what it does, you can start planning how to hide it

Good luck!

Yes I agree with Adam.

If you may need to route the cable outside, you can buy outdoor Ethernet cable for pretty much the same price (the only difference is that the plastic outer is proof against uv damage).

best

David

one last question .. am adding a core to my system to store files ... rip cd's etc .. assuming I don't move the router closer to the hdx and core, but a single cable, is it ok to split using a basic 1 into 2 connector ?

excuse ignorance here ..

thank you

You use an Ethernet switch, such as the Cisco mentioned above. Connect the router to the switch, and then plug the two Naim boxes into it. 

An alternative to the Cisco that many of us use is the Netgear GS105 available new from the usual online places for about £25. Its both plug and play and fit and forget.

Best

David

In a computer network, a switch (even a basic one) acts as a 'signal splitter'. So as per HH's post above - you need a simple switch to manage that connection.

Alternatively - most of the WiFi routers, can also act as a network switch. Networked devices are connected to the rear ports.
In this case every networked device needs to have its own run of a cable.

Do you mean HDX?  The reason I ask is that you then mention getting a Core to "store files ... rip cd's etc" ... but that would surely be replacing the HDX rather than in addition to it?  Doesn't the HDX already store files, rip CDs, etc.?

Indeed the HDX is a ripper & store,  the usual method to expand on that is to add a NAS,  not a Core.   But judging by the OP's questions, I believe there is a lot of advice thats needed here & his dealer would be my suggestion for first port of call.   

typo .. meant ndx .. sorry

ok .. tks fr info .. no plan to move router, so will run cable outside house (advice from several members) and add simple switch at the other end .. this should split 2 cables into NDX (sorry not Hdx) and core .... have I got this right ?

and thanks again for all your help !

davidsblue posted:

ok .. tks fr info .. no plan to move router, so will run cable outside house (advice from several members) and add simple switch at the other end .. this should split 2 cables into NDX (sorry not Hdx) and core .... have I got this right ?

and thanks again for all your help ! 

NDX sounds like more sense.      This is the wiring schematic - NAS = Core

davidsblue posted:

ok .. tks fr info .. no plan to move router, so will run cable outside house (advice from several members) and add simple switch at the other end .. this should split 2 cables into NDX (sorry not Hdx) and core .... have I got this right ?

and thanks again for all your help !

 

Make sure you have good Wi-fi near the NDX as well. If you are using EoP for extending the Wi-fi you may have discovery issues which need resolving. Getting the main telephone socket moved to the music room and adding a good quality switch is sensible.

Phil

Also consider fibe? It is economic if you don't require custom termination. It is thin and has good electric isolation that others have reported improves sound!

davidsblue posted:

here’s a puzzle which i’m sure isn’t new. my bt home hub is on the other side of the house. decent hifi router cabling for that distance would cost me the same price as a new house! currently connected ndx by hard wire to bt mini hub, which is (i think) using ring main to move signal around the house. is this generally frowned upon, and should i b getting another bt socket put into my house, nearer the naim set up? many thanks for looking 

Twisted pair Ethernet is specified to at least 100metres, so you should be fine. Please use regular certified Cat 5e cabling, it really is the optimum cable to use for many environments... and most importantly is not expensive.

Simon

If buying a switch, I recommend buying one with rather more ports than you need.

I made the mistake of buying a 4 port one, then later wanted to connect my Smart TV and cable TV box and decided on a wifi access point, so I needed to buy a new larger switch  to be able to connect everything....

Of course one of the ports is used as the "input" from your router.

David Hendon posted:

An alternative to the Cisco that many of us use is the Netgear GS105 available new from the usual online places for about £25. Its both plug and play and fit and forget.

Best

David

hi .. tks fr advice ... that looks like very good value ... is the netgear one good enough in quality? .. lots cheaper than cisco one given by another member ....

tks again ... can buy one today I think