pmc twenty 26

leni v posted:

I would expect in a7 k speaker better components  then in a 2-3k speaker.

It’s not unusual that a range of speakers from a manufacturer use the same components (such as shared tweeter) from the smallest stand mount to the largest floor stand in a range.  

Do you cricpticise the B&W 800D because it has the same tweeter as the 805D - £22.5k vs £4.5k.  The three (soon to be four) Kudos Titan speakers use the same tweeter from £9k - £21k  (To use two examples). You can even often find within a manufacturer where the smallest of one range costs less than the biggest of another range and uses a superior tweeter (e.g. B&W 707s2 has a superior tweeter at £800 to the 683s2 at £1200).

While b&w gave  their smallest 805d the flagship 800 diamond tweeter pmc did the opposite.

leni v posted:

While b&w gave  their smallest 805d the flagship 800 diamond tweeter pmc did the opposite.

I’m sorry, I’m not sure I understand, as far as I know all the PMC twenty5 series share the same tweeter, the 27mm PMC/ SEAS one I have in my 23s. It’s a very capable tweeter, I love the sounds I get from the Nova driven PMCs. ( As an aside, I didn't like the 1st generation diamond tweeter in the 800 series, I found it too bright on the end of my 135s, admittedly it may have been the match to the olives. That’s why I have 804s in my main system.)

I also used to own 20.23 and occasionally did find the top end a little unforgiving. The 20.26 was not like this at all, not sure if the mid driver (very nice it was too) taking the extra work off the tweeter helped smooth things out. 20.26 was very easy on the ear.

I don't really understand the comments about 20.26 having a hard or a coarse top end as I did not experience this.

Try for yourself rather than accept other people's opinion as fact. There are so many variables at play such as room acoustics, source, speaker position, listening position, cables, etc.

Halloween Man posted:

I also used to own 20.23 and occasionally did find the top end a little unforgiving. The 20.26 was not like this at all, not sure if the mid driver (very nice it was too) taking the extra work off the tweeter helped smooth things out. 20.26 was very easy on the ear.

It was said about Super-tweeters that adding them to a speaker could help the bass... so no reason the converse can’t happen.

leni v posted:

Since you feel the 23 are outclassed by the 282 and since the 26 uses the same tweeter  like the 23 you have your answer. look elsewhere.

got to hear fact 8 today a friend of a friend and have to say a much better speaker than 25 23 night and day, you can hear very quickly where the extra cash is they do every thing better..  not as deep bass as 26 that's it they do need to be angled slightly a bit lean firing straight.

leni v posted:

While b&w gave  their smallest 805d the flagship 800 diamond tweeter pmc did the opposite.

Huh? Please clarify. 

Or do you mean PMC have differemt tweeters on their dofferent ranges, i.e. SE different from  Fact different from 25 different from 20? That is rather expected, I think.

Johnny5 posted:

leni v posted:

Since you feel the 23 are outclassed by the 282 and since the 26 uses the same tweeter  like the 23 you have your answer. look elsewhere.

got to hear fact 8 today a friend of a friend and have to say a much better speaker than 25 23 night and day, you can hear very quickly where the extra cash is they do every thing better..  not as deep bass as 26 that's it they do need to be angled slightly a bit lean firing straight.

The 12 of course would bring the deep bass - you can tell from the size, and of course the relative price.

Innocent Bystander posted:

Johnny5 posted:

leni v posted:

Since you feel the 23 are outclassed by the 282 and since the 26 uses the same tweeter  like the 23 you have your answer. look elsewhere.

got to hear fact 8 today a friend of a friend and have to say a much better speaker than 25 23 night and day, you can hear very quickly where the extra cash is they do every thing better..  not as deep bass as 26 that's it they do need to be angled slightly a bit lean firing straight.

The 12 of course would bring the deep bass - you can tell from the size, and of course the relative price.

Now the Fact12 would need a home demo if the OP has a 250. I had a thread a few years back, when I was last active on the forum, where I pondered getting a pair but couldn't home demo. Observations from owners ranged from "my 250dr drives them fine" to "I couldn't get them to get out of bed for less than a NAP500"

Aii fact components (including tweeter) are unique to the range and are superior to the components in the 25 range.

feeling_zen posted:

In my 8x7m room, the Twenty5.23s are almost too much. There is no way I could have gotten away with 26s in this (already largeish) room.

7x8m equals 56 square meters. You must have some serious acoustic problems if "Twenty5.23s are almost too much". Ever considered moving out from your palace? 

Certainly a room of that size doesn’t count as smalI - but of course much depends on how much bass an individual likes or considers to be realistic. My own room is marginally smaller, and  I have significantly meatier speakers and the bass sound great to me, achieving what I hear and feel with live performances. And I have had similar speakers to these in quite a bit smaller rooms over the years without problem (smallest a rectangular 17.5m2) - just care on positioning. 

Dan.S posted:

feeling_zen posted:

In my 8x7m room, the Twenty5.23s are almost too much. There is no way I could have gotten away with 26s in this (already largeish) room.

7x8m equals 56 square meters. You must have some serious acoustic problems if "Twenty5.23s are almost too much". Ever considered moving out from your palace? 

Heavily sprung floor. 

Like most advice mentioned, you need to hear them. I have the 282/250.2 combination and auditioned twenty5 24 vs. twenty 26 - I bought the 26's. Great speaker and it was the mid range detail that sold me on why that was the right choice.

They are very easy to positon as they are not back ported, so the back wall makes little difference to the overall sound. Are they too bass heavy, or is the tweeter not good enough, I'm afraid your ears are the best for you on that.

Best of luck