Volume control NAIM app ios

Totally agreed. You should suggest this to the Naim team though, using the feedback section within the app. I've been told that quite a lot because the team does not necessarily read the forum

I use an I Phone 8 plus and this has at the plus and minus settings very precise.

Thanks. Done that. 

I can uwe the volume buttons of my iPhone but thees also cause large jumps .... Strange that the app is onlangs optimisme for iPhone 8 plus ?!

Oops. Dutch autocorrect. Onlangs optimisme = only optimized. 

Pcd posted:

I use an I Phone 8 plus and this has at the plus and minus settings very precise.

That's because you have a separate streamer with system automation volume control. All-in-one players (Uniti, 172, 272) have the slider volume control.

Sjoerdsr posted:

I can uwe the volume buttons of my iPhone but thees also cause large jumps .... Strange that the app is onlangs optimisme for iPhone 8 plus ?!

The iPhone buttons only work if you use Airplay or Chromecast. I've found that some apps give a small jump in volume from a single click, where others give a huge jump.

Nope. Works for spotify connect as well ...

ChrisSU posted:

Pcd posted:

I use an I Phone 8 plus and this has at the plus and minus settings very precise.

That's because you have a separate streamer with system automation volume control. All-in-one players (Uniti, 172, 272) have the slider volume control.

Thanks for the info, wonder if the new streamers will be the same ??

Sjoerdsr posted:

Nope. Works for spotify connect as well ...

Yes, but not on UPnP, iRadio and USB.

Pcd posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Pcd posted:

I use an I Phone 8 plus and this has at the plus and minus settings very precise.

That's because you have a separate streamer with system automation volume control. All-in-one players (Uniti, 172, 272) have the slider volume control.

Thanks for the info, wonder if the new streamers will be the same ??

The new uniti platform has the slider volume control - the new streaming sources only have fixed level outputs (like the current ND5XS, NDX and NDS)...

Cheers

Phil

Phil Harris posted:

Pcd posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Pcd posted:

I use an I Phone 8 plus and this has at the plus and minus settings very precise.

That's because you have a separate streamer with system automation volume control. All-in-one players (Uniti, 172, 272) have the slider volume control.

Thanks for the info, wonder if the new streamers will be the same ??

The new uniti platform has the slider volume control - the new streaming sources only have fixed level outputs (like the current ND5XS, NDX and NDS)...

Cheers

Phil

Phil, thanks for the info.

Maybe you can restrict the max volume of the player, so that 100% of the slider relates to only e.g. 50% of the volume. This could make the slider twice as precise?

gert posted:

Maybe you can restrict the max volume of the player, so that 100% of the slider relates to only e.g. 50% of the volume. This could make the slider twice as precise?

The default setting seems to be 60%, but I found that my Atom sounded better with it set to 100%, and others reported the same on here. So while I see the logic in your suggestion, I think it could have a negative effect on sound quality.

ChrisSU posted:

gert posted:

Maybe you can restrict the max volume of the player

The default setting seems to be 60%, but I found that my Atom sounded better with it set to 100%

Hi ChrisSU -

Thanks for confirming the behaviour. This new volume limit implementation has never made sense to me...

In the old Uniti, it was an “app level” gain adjustment on the slider: so 100% to the right of its travel would correspond to whatever max volume on the unit’s internal scale-of-100 that you chose.

In the new Uniti, it is a “box level” gain adjustment, limiting physical max volume to whatever number you pick, and then the app slider volume control is a percentage of the new (smaller) value.  This latter, apparently, has a sound quality consequence - which may not be a surprise if it’s, say, a digital domain volume limiter. But who knows, a physical gain adjustment might be a very handy thing...

What I might have preferred, however, is control over both parameters - the old “app” version and the new “hardware” one. 

What I’d really prefer, especially on the iPhone app where real estate is at a premium (relative to the iPad anyway) is an option for a “pop up” volume wheel, with user settable gain to convert degrees of rotation to unit increments of volume... some sort of modern UI control that allows finer control than the space-limited volume slider anyway; or even a choice of a few controls, like a “long throw” vertical slider, big plus/minus buttons, or a wheel... especially now that all the hooks are in place and it should just be a control graphical element, not a business logic problem. 

What do others think? Some brainstorming here might produce a useful design suggestion to take to the Naim team as a feature request.

Regards alan

Agree with you Alan, this is what I meant when starting the topic

Grtz, Ron

ChrisSU posted:

gert posted:

Maybe you can restrict the max volume of the player, so that 100% of the slider relates to only e.g. 50% of the volume. This could make the slider twice as precise?

The default setting seems to be 60%, but I found that my Atom sounded better with it set to 100%, and others reported the same on here. So while I see the logic in your suggestion, I think it could have a negative effect on sound quality.

Hi,

Setting the max_volume_setting in the app doesn't change anything to do with the preamp operation or "scaling" - it simply makes the slider in the app send volume commands of 0 - <max_volume_setting> at full scale on the slider rather than 0 - 100 ... as far as the streamer is concerned it sees no difference in the information coming from the app in that it still sees Volume(x) commands but the app doesn't send a Volume(x) command to the streamer above the value that is set as the app max_volume_setting.

Similarly when you set the maximum volume on a streamer then it doesn't reconfigure the preamp or anything - it simply puts a cap on the maximum volume that you can turn the unit up to so there shouldn't be any difference in actual sound quality in either use case ...

Cheers

Phil

Maybe just another case of Louder = Better, then 

ChrisSU posted:

Maybe just another case of Louder = Better, then 

Of course...

Phil

Phil Harris  posted:

Setting the max_volume_setting in the app doesn't change anything to do with the preamp operation or "scaling" - it simply makes the slider in the app send volume commands of 0 - <max_volume_setting> at full scale on the slider rather than 0 - 100 ... as far as the streamer is concerned it sees no difference in the information coming from the app in that it still sees Volume(x) commands but the app doesn't send a Volume(x) command to the streamer above the value that is set as the app max_volume_setting.

Similarly when you set the maximum volume on a streamer then it doesn't reconfigure the preamp or anything - it simply puts a cap on the maximum volume that you can turn the unit up to so there shouldn't be any difference in actual sound quality in either use case ...

Cheers

Phil

Hmm... 

At least something is different between (my recollection of) the old and new Uniti behaviour with app-limited volume control. And it’s now at odds with your description, I think...

In the current app with new Uniti, setting Vol to 20 with Max Vol at 100 produces a given sound level; and then dropping Max Vol to 50 definitely drops the volume level while simultaneously leaving the numerical value on the device screen at 20. This happens even when Max Vol is greater than the numerical set point, which is not how I read what you describe (or how I recall it working previously on the old Uniti boxes).

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding you Phil, but this is not the behaviour as you describe it, where there would be no change in sound level at a given numerical in-screen value until the limit threshold is crossed.

Are we talking about the same thing?

Regards alan

Yep, that is also how my atom behaves. 

Lets say you have the max_volume set to 20 then on the Atom you still get a 0-100 volume indication but with 100 on the display being what would have been 20 ... that's how the display works (which is different to the old Uniti series).

On the old Uniti series setting the max_volume to 20 would give you 0-20 as possible volume steps but in neither case is there reconfiguring of how the volume control in the preamp works leading to "a negative effect on sound quality" (which is what I was replying to - my apologies if I didn't make that clear with the posting that I had quoted).

Phil

Thanks Phil - 

Understood that the software is a different “scale” but the new implementation has no effect on the sound. I had not experimented or heard this personally. I agree with your revised description of where the 20% “scale renormalization” happens (which is not how I read your first “volume(x)” description) so thanks for that also.

All that aside, what do you think of some “GUI control” discussion here with a view to suggesting a feature improvement for a future App version?!?

Regards, alan

To me the slider is definitely a "no-no:!!!", it is not precise enough and when sliding the volume down/up I get upset every time I want to set the volume using my Iphone 8 plus. And even more tricky because the slider is just placed under the play/skips controls, and unless you have tiny fingers, sometimes  you will hit on pause/play instead when you just want to adjust the volume. Some +/- would have been really nice to have rather than a bare slider that is not very convenient. 

Regarding the volume max set up, I also have the feeling that it does does affect the sound, cannot tell whether it just my ears playing tricks on me though but every time I set it below 100, i had the exact same "feeling" that it affects the sound in that the amp seems to be more "compressed"