Temporary solution before ND555 released

Simply wait?

Assuming you're going to get the 552 and just need a streamer, any of the current range would be fine as a stopgap. If you're keeping the 555, a used NDS would be nice, and if the ND555 is late, or not as good as you thought it would be, just keep it.

Innocent Bystander posted:

Simply wait?

As I wrote I will sell my 272. 

ChrisSU posted:

Assuming you're going to get the 552 and just need a streamer, any of the current range would be fine as a stopgap. If you're keeping the 555, a used NDS would be nice, and if the ND555 is late, or not as good as you thought it would be, just keep it.

The NDS is great of course but not easy to get used. I'm just worried that no one is really interested in buying the NDS for the amount I would have to pay now as soon as the ND555 is out. The ND555 will be very expensive so therefore I'm trying to spend as little as possible... 

DL_Audio posted:

Innocent Bystander posted:

Simply wait?

As I wrote I will sell my 272. 

I understood that. What I meant was why not wait before doing the other upgrade, so saving having to think of a temporary solution and possibly losing out by buying and reselling if you then decide to go for ND555.

Buy a record deck and enjoy superior sound?

DL_Audio posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Assuming you're going to get the 552 and just need a streamer, any of the current range would be fine as a stopgap. If you're keeping the 555, a used NDS would be nice, and if the ND555 is late, or not as good as you thought it would be, just keep it.

The NDS is great of course but not easy to get used. I'm just worried that no one is really interested in buying the NDS for the amount I would have to pay now as soon as the ND555 is out. The ND555 will be very expensive so therefore I'm trying to spend as little as possible... 

The ND555 is apparently going to be a lot more expensive than the NDS, so I’m not sure that everyone will be making the upgrade. Unlike the NDX2, which looks like more of an incremental price increase on its predecessor. 

ChrisSU posted:

DL_Audio posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Assuming you're going to get the 552 and just need a streamer, any of the current range would be fine as a stopgap. If you're keeping the 555, a used NDS would be nice, and if the ND555 is late, or not as good as you thought it would be, just keep it.

The NDS is great of course but not easy to get used. I'm just worried that no one is really interested in buying the NDS for the amount I would have to pay now as soon as the ND555 is out. The ND555 will be very expensive so therefore I'm trying to spend as little as possible... 

The ND555 is apparently going to be a lot more expensive than the NDS, so I’m not sure that everyone will be making the upgrade. Unlike the NDX2, which looks like more of an incremental price increase on its predecessor. 

Can you see NDS users moving across to the NDX2 then do you think? I suppose this depends on how many years you are happy on the old platform before it feels required? 

Popeye posted:

ChrisSU posted:

DL_Audio posted:

ChrisSU posted:

Assuming you're going to get the 552 and just need a streamer, any of the current range would be fine as a stopgap. If you're keeping the 555, a used NDS would be nice, and if the ND555 is late, or not as good as you thought it would be, just keep it.

The NDS is great of course but not easy to get used. I'm just worried that no one is really interested in buying the NDS for the amount I would have to pay now as soon as the ND555 is out. The ND555 will be very expensive so therefore I'm trying to spend as little as possible... 

The ND555 is apparently going to be a lot more expensive than the NDS, so I’m not sure that everyone will be making the upgrade. Unlike the NDX2, which looks like more of an incremental price increase on its predecessor. 

Can you see NDS users moving across to the NDX2 then do you think? I suppose this depends on how many years you are happy on the old platform before it feels required? 

I strongly suspect that the NDX2 will not be enough of an improvement on the NDX to tempt NDS owners to downgrade. Of course, I'm assuming that the prices that have been mentioned on the forum are correct - NDX just over£4k, ND555 around £13k. Also, we know that Naim have not mentioned an NDS2 in the new lineup so far, but do we know for sure that they won't release it later?

Get a little Mojo connect to mini computer or pad and then to 552 ....... very good sound for buttons...+ you can sell mojo when your super ND555 lands ........... yipee

Borrow the nDAC and get a used Sonos Connect to feed it.  

You will have a nice sound and decent user experience and can sell the Sonos for no loss when you get the streamer you want.

Richieroo posted:

Get a little Mojo connect to mini computer or pad and then to 552 ....... very good sound for buttons...+ you can sell mojo when your super ND555 lands ........... yipee

Or keep for mobile use

i'd get a Sonos Connect and a Chord Hugo 2 -- then when the "big rig" arrives, you'll already have the basis of an excellent headphone setup that you can use anywhere in your home.

I'm with ChrisSu on this - i would stay with 272 until release and moreover demo of the ND555

I am waiting for the NDX2 in dealers to get a demo, own NDX  use Asset so colour screne alone is not going to temp me, only MORE music will do that

If you were to go for an NDS and purchased a new 555PDSR to power it, you would be able to retain the power supply to power the ND555 if and when you trade in the NDS towards the ND555. It would also stage the investment into more bite size chunks. 

The OP already has the 555PSDR. Getting a used NDS now seems the obvious thing to do. It will sound great and can be compared with the ND555 in due course. If it were me I’d keep the 272 for now, but if it’s effectively sold then that option is off the table. 

I would also wait. I have to assume the Naim will soon let the cat out of the sack for the ND555 and I assume the first ND555’s will land under the Christmas trees....

DL_Audio posted:

Hi everyone. I'm about to upgrade to a 552DR+streamer from 272/555PS DR. My 272 is as good as sold. My plan was to buy a NDS or successor and since the ND555 is announced I will need a temporary solution before the ND555 is available. (In case it is so brilliant and I don't buy a preloved NDS)

I thought about buying an ATOM and borrowing an nDAC from my dealer. Therefore I have the new streaming platform and a good DAC with my 555PS DR. I could use the ATOM for the kitchen or resell it afterwards... 

Any other ideas for a good workaround without losing too much (in best case no) money?

Many thanks!

if i were you, i would buy a core , borrow the ndac and listen to core/ndac/555ps in spdif mode. After, when you will finally buy the nd555, you will have a terrific source: nd555/555ps/ uniticore, in upnp mode of course.

French Rooster posted:

if i were you, i would buy a core , borrow the ndac and listen to core/ndac/555ps in spdif mode. After, when you will finally buy the nd555, you will have a terrific source: nd555/555ps/ uniticore, in upnp mode of course.

That depends on whether the rendering stage of rhe ND555 with uPNP via network is better than that of the Core as output via SPDIF. Quite apart from the presently unknown comparison purely of the two rendering stages, networks introduce additional variables, which can include greater susceptibility to other sources of degradation.

I managed to get a brand new NDS this year - even after I saw the rumours regarding the ND555 (had already put a deposit down). I was told that if it's anything like the Uniti range "they would be very surprised" if it gets released this year... especially with the rumours around "timing" issues.  A used NDS is definitely an option and given the dealers must offer reasonable trade-in's - you can't really quantify using it for a year - a year of pleasure.

My own thoughts are that I'll probably wait 6 months even after release of the ND555 so any teething issues are ironed out SW wise.  We're also assuming it will be leaps better - I do hope it can be. It would be an expensive upgrade for a new colour screen and some additional connectivity, if it didn't sound any better.

Thanks to everyone for your thoughts!

[@mention:56335183628232089] I'm going to buy a core in any case but I really enjoy discovering music via tidal and I don't want to miss that option.

[@mention:73793444833679110] this is true and I would buy a preloved/exdemo etc. NDS immediately, if it is half or almost half the price but I couldn't find any (in Germany).

30% off the new price is still too much to me (for possibly a temporary solution) don't you think?

You can get Tidal via a Melco server but they are at least twice the price of the Core. I have a Core, if new streamers do not amaze, I may go for a Melco and a top DAC.

DL_Audio posted:

Thanks to everyone for your thoughts!

[@mention:56335183628232089] I'm going to buy a core in any case but I really enjoy discovering music via tidal and I don't want to miss that option.

[@mention:73793444833679110] this is true and I would buy a preloved/exdemo etc. NDS immediately, if it is half or almost half the price but I couldn't find any (in Germany).

30% off the new price is still too much to me (for possibly a temporary solution) don't you think?

Realistically, in the UK a used nds sells for around £4300 if its an older one, and more if its more recent. I really can’t see this dropping drastically (if at all) even when the new models are released, therefore you probably wouldn’t lose too much if you sold it again later on anyway. With the kit you have im sure you will love it.

Innocent Bystander posted:

French Rooster posted:

if i were you, i would buy a core , borrow the ndac and listen to core/ndac/555ps in spdif mode. After, when you will finally buy the nd555, you will have a terrific source: nd555/555ps/ uniticore, in upnp mode of course.

That depends on whether the rendering stage of rhe ND555 with uPNP via network is better than that of the Core as output via SPDIF. Quite apart from the presently unknown comparison purely of the two rendering stages, networks introduce additional variables, which can include greater susceptibility to other sources of degradation.

naim demonstrates its streamers with the uniticore in upnp mode at shows, because they consider it to be the best. In spdif, you are using only the dac section of the nds, ndx or nd555....   if you want to use spdif with the core, better is to connect a separate dac, like ndac or chord dave.  

Gazza posted:

You can get Tidal via a Melco server but they are at least twice the price of the Core. I have a Core, if new streamers do not amaze, I may go for a Melco and a top DAC.

the entry level melco is around the same price as the core ( with ssd drive as option).  in France.