Who’s planning to stick with the old or jump to the new?

I have an ndx and I suspect trading for an ndx2 would be poor value compared  to other changes I could make for my system for same outlay. BUT I am interested in taking a listen and If changes are not purely cosmetic and SQ is significantly better I could be tempted. At the Bristol show Jason from naim told me the ndx2 was new from the bottom up and a step change so we’ll see (or hear) in due course.

Oh, stick. I'll stay with my Sondek though in an ideal world it would probably have an off board power supply. Very happy with my CD player. I've contemplated a later NAT FM radio. Thanks.

What’s a streamer?

The Strat (Fender) posted:

What’s a streamer?

 

 

 

 

A rather nasty head-cold, I believe. 

MDS posted:

The Strat (Fender) posted:

What’s a streamer?

 

 

 

 

A rather nasty head-cold, I believe. 

Gives you a bad head and earache then?

If it sounds better I'll change. (NDX to NDX2) Can anyone remember a new Naim product that didn't improve on it's predecessor? But I'll only change if I can turn the display off ...

Yes Nait 3 - worst product ever by Naim imo.  

As I can't afford a new ND555, I will be sticking with my trusty NDS. I suspect the NDS will still beat the new NDX2 although I also suspect the NDX2 will be a decent improvement on the NDX. The ND555 should of course be a significant improvement on the NDS, but at a hefty price. All speculation at this time though until we can hear the things.

I do think that Naim have given themselves a problem here with the impending huge gulf in price (and I suspect performance) between the NDX2 and the ND555 with no streamer available between the £4k and £13k price points, other than pre-loved (an possibly one or two ex-dem) NDSs. I was told at the Bristol Show by Naim that the NDX2's new level of performance makes it impossible to design and build a mid point streamer (in terms of price and performance) that could bridge the gap between the NDX2 and the ND555. I know of one dealer who has concerns that there will be no streamer to sell between £4k and £13k.

I guess technological and implementation advancements in the fast moving digital domain will occasionally throw up the odd anomaly.

cdboy posted:

If it sounds better I'll change. (NDX to NDX2) Can anyone remember a new Naim product that didn't improve on it's predecessor? But I'll only change if I can turn the display off ...

Get an ND5XS2 - apparently it has no display. (And for all we know may sound as good or better than NDX1)

I will be moving to the new platform, but only when/after I move house (don't hold yer breath, it will be a year or more).  What I/we go for is all depending on what the new platform has to offer at that time.   At the mo it will be one of the new large case ND's & only a long & multiple demo will make that decision, cash is not the problem, SQ is the first priority & my Mk-II ear/brain's resolution abilities the other.   My other question is what's coming in the streamer-preamp line ??? & what's coming in the 'Classic' pre-amp's.   My intention is to go with one or other of the better streamer & amp combo's & if that is in one box in the future,  well & good.  The power amp is of no consequence as it will be whatever I choose from the active speakers available at that time;  at the mo its ATC SCM19A or 40A.   

Depending on available funds, offer from the dealer and of course performance increase I tend to belief that I will go to the ND555....., but let’s see what happens. I will give it serious consideration as it will be a lot of money....

I think I might buy a new tape deck.  

nigelb posted:

As I can't afford a new ND555, I will be sticking with my trusty NDS. I suspect the NDS will still beat the new NDX2 although I also suspect the NDX2 will be a decent improvement on the NDX. The ND555 should of course be a significant improvement on the NDS, but at a hefty price. All speculation at this time though until we can hear the things.

I do think that Naim have given themselves a problem here with the impending huge gulf in price (and I suspect performance) between the NDX2 and the ND555 with no streamer available between the £4k and £13k price points, other than pre-loved (an possibly one or two ex-dem) NDSs. I was told at the Bristol Show by Naim that the NDX2's new level of performance makes it impossible to design and build a mid point streamer (in terms of price and performance) that could bridge the gap between the NDX2 and the ND555. I know of one dealer who has concerns that there will be no streamer to sell between £4k and £13k.

I guess technological and implementation advancements in the fast moving digital domain will occasionally throw up the odd anomaly.

I can’t see how the nd555 will be ‘that’ much better than the ndx2 to justify the extra cost but obviously I haven’t heard it yet. It’s that diminishing returns thing again but on a huge scale I feel. 

To be honest the NDS does everything I want from a streamer so the new ND555 would have to be something really special to make me even consider it.

I’ll stream from my 01 ????

david

Given the recent software hiccups with new products I’ll wait a while before possibly procuring an NDX2.

nigelb posted:

I know of one dealer who has concerns that there will be no streamer to sell between £4k and £13k.

 

I would think the NDX2/555PS could be the bridge between the two. Especially if it's as good as speculated.

If I had money to burn then a new Naim streamer wouldn't be on the top of my list when it came hifi.

it seems some are chasing a impossible dream, which part of the unit can be improved streamer,dac or the analogue stage of unit.

if we assume its the dac . then naim should produce a new master dac/digital preanp ,likewise if it is streamer then the master streamer is required.

I USE THE ndx as a transport only which iam happy with..After many years ive started using the cd player more...

Why bother? Yes you can constantly make sideways moves for the replacement of the same product you own be it an NDX or a car.  And the new thing will always feel shiny and new and enjoyable for a while since it usually will be better.

But if you are going to upgrade, then upgrade. NDX to ND555, 82 to 252, UQ2 to Nova, etc. Lateral moves rarely give the full uprgade satisfaction long term unless you skipped miltiple generations of the same product. Lateral moves are good, however, at bleeding pockets dry and keeping you from ever getting to where you really want to be.

Add to that the fact that moving from an NDX to an NDX2 will require mucking about with selling an old unit, trips to a dealer, running in etc. While all that time you could be just playing music and waiting a few more years to the real upgrade making your experience even better (and giving Naim even more money too). Your current <INSERT YOUR STREAMER HERE> will sound just as good when the new ones come out as it does today, despite inevitable claims that the old ones will sound broken (or some other hyperbole laden version of). And don't forget, the NDX2 and ND555 will not exist in isolation. How they work with your existing system will vary and if they change the caharacter, it may entail more changes to get the balance back. I remember when I went from 250.2 to a 250dr. The 250dr was better but it is a different animal. The rest of the system was chosen to all work together and the 250dr broke the spell. I got it back and more but only after changing speakers.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Yes Nait 3 - worst product ever by Naim imo.  

Awwwe. I stand almost alone in thinking the Nait3 was awsome. As was the 92/90/CD3 combo. Such fun components.

No streamer to replace but I look forward to hearing the 555.

I agree the Nait 3 was/is a great amp and available relatively cheaply now. I had one in a second system a few years ago, with a CD2 as source and Royd Eden speakers - so enjoyable.

BN

The Strat (Fender) posted:

I think I might buy a new tape deck.  

Good move. Make sure it can play those new fangled chrome tapes. They sound amazing by all accounts...

I have intentionally been holding back on upgrades to see what happens with the new platform, so now rather curious about the NDX2 to feed a Supernait2 (or even my CB Nait2), now that I’m fully onboard with streaming as a music delivery method. My UnitiQute2 has certainly done its job. 

Ideally, I’d like to have the choice of comparing the Nova with NDX2-SN, plus a new platform 272-NAP - if a 272MK2 ever materialises.