Who’s planning to stick with the old or jump to the new?

Although second time around i said single box streamer only, but very interested in then NDX2 with say a 250DR, plan to demo.

At the moment i'm looking for the Nova sound/performance and hoping as some say the NDX2 betters (or on par) with the NDS.

Michael Mccullough posted:

nigelb posted:

I know of one dealer who has concerns that there will be no streamer to sell between £4k and £13k.

 

I would think the NDX2/555PS could be the bridge between the two. Especially if it's as good as speculated.

Maybe. We will have to see if the PS555 'suits' the NDX2 as some didn't like it with the NDX.

My point was that there presumably is a decent market (in comparative terms) for a circa £7k-£8k Naim streamer judging by NDS ownership and presumably dealers would make a greater margin (in £s) on this streamer selling price than on a £4k streamer. I understand that technically the £7k-£8k streamer price point no longer exists in the Naim range (or this territory has been partially taken over by the cheaper and presumably more capable NDX2) but that will inevitably affect dealers' margins.

About 20 yrs ago, I went down from a 72/140 (cannot recall why), to a 92/90/flatcap/CDI/intros, was superb.

Has the price point of the ND555 been set yet??? or is this speculation...........

I think they are canvassing dealer opinion on how many might be sold.....which they might factor into the mix, plus no NDS which leaves a large gap  from NDX2 if it is 13k plus PS cost.

For me personally, I just cant justify the move from my NDX -> ND555 if it really will be at the £13k price point.

I was considering I would  move to NDS replacement and then upgrade PS, but that would have been at NDS price level, doesn't look like that's going to happen now.

I will for sure have a listen to both NDX2 and ND555 though, Im really interested to hear how they sound.

NDX2 may be a possibility if it offers a step change from NDX performance.

In the meantime I might just add a HC to my SN2 to scratch my upgraditis itch, I plan to borrow one from my dealer in the next few weeks to check it out.

Maybe in time Ill try and find a pre-loved NDS (if the £13k for the ND555 holds), though I think they may be as rare as rocking horse s**t since the recent announcement!

My poor old NDS has been succeeded by a new hot young model that is even more expensive to maintain: ND555. Would anyone like to buy my poor old NDS before it becomes obsolete? It is in mint condition with the original box and perhaps only second to one. Fresh new offers only.

Fortunately there isn't a NAC-N 272 Mk2 (yet) so I don't have to decide!

Eloise posted:

Fortunately there isn't a NAC-N 272 Mk2 (yet) so I don't have to decide!

If NDX2 really improve as much vs NDX, surely a new N272 is in the pipeline Vsoon

I'll certainly audition the new 555: I'm still keen to get the CDs in the loft, but I'm not in much of a rush and have very little time....

I have never purchased a Naim streamer (dipped my toe in the 'stream' a few years back with a Squeezebox Duet mated to a Cambridge DacMagic - does the job for me for what I use it for - Internet Radio and Deezer - sounds good actually) as I am not convinced that expensive dedicated equipment is the way to go given the pace of development. I thought I would wait until things settled down a bit more as I think that the actual streaming may be better through an internet provider or as part of a browser or via the music providers themselves. Feed that into a good DAC and off you go. Using a NAS or whatever as my main source is not something I will ever do (too happy with my CDX2) and I am not interested in high def as there is just not enough product (that I listen to at any rate) and I don't believe there ever will be - too niche and expensive. If the new models do not have an FM module option that would be something that would put me off as I would need to 'de-commission' my current Tuner to make room for the new box. All that said the NDX2 does look tempting - particularly if it's stand-alone price is circa £4k as has been muted. Without an NDS2 to consider the jump to the ND555 is financially massive (as it sounds like it will be circa £20k including the mandatory 555PS) - which seems a bit short sighted of Naim as certainly I, if I was an owner of the current NDX or NDS, would find it very difficult to justify an upgrade unless there were some stunning trade-in deals.

Perol posted:

Eloise posted:

Fortunately there isn't a NAC-N 272 Mk2 (yet) so I don't have to decide!

If NDX2 really improve as much vs NDX, surely a new N272 is in the pipeline Vsoon

Maybe this hasn't been mentioned as Naim can't get an improvement over the 272 to make a MK2 due to the pre amp being alongside the steamer and to much going on inside the one box.

Popeye posted:

Perol posted:

Eloise posted:

Fortunately there isn't a NAC-N 272 Mk2 (yet) so I don't have to decide!

If NDX2 really improve as much vs NDX, surely a new N272 is in the pipeline Vsoon

Maybe this hasn't been mentioned as Naim can't get an improvement over the 272 to make a MK2 due to the pre amp being alongside the steamer and to much going on inside the one box.

I doubt that - the Nova seems to be working very well for an all in one. Once the new streamers are out, this becomes a legacy platform so who knows what the replacement will be. 

Or maybe the 272 will be discounted as 172xs was.

In a sense It's worked as stop gap until the new platform was out.

cdboy posted:

Can anyone remember a new Naim product that didn't improve on it's predecessor?

Here’s three which spring readily to mind:

CDS2 wasn’t as good as the CDS  

The NAT01 has never been improved upon. 

The Nait 3 wasn’t as good as the Nait 2. 

I would still like to hear what improvement has been achieved by the ND555 over the NDS. For me the NDS is a very capable and musically rewarding unit. 

james n posted:

Popeye posted:

Perol posted:

Eloise posted:

Fortunately there isn't a NAC-N 272 Mk2 (yet) so I don't have to decide!

If NDX2 really improve as much vs NDX, surely a new N272 is in the pipeline Vsoon

Maybe this hasn't been mentioned as Naim can't get an improvement over the 272 to make a MK2 due to the pre amp being alongside the steamer and to much going on inside the one box.

I doubt that - the Nova seems to be working very well for an all in one. Once the new streamers are out, this becomes a legacy platform so who knows what the replacement will be. 

Yes but the Nova isn't better than the 272 and as we all state a replacement needs to be an improvement over existing, not just the same but with the new streaming card.

I will be more than happy to move to NDX2 once pricing and moreover demo dates have been confirmed, i am very happy with my  x2 current sources NDX (2004) and my LP12 - which i will be upgrading this year (kore, Lingo 4, Khan, Tranquilty)

i am sure the NDX2 is going to be a step up in quality which will be my only guide - i don't need the front scream as I use  Asset 6

my plan is to look at NDX sometime next year, or add 555 to my current NDX

Interesting topic, haven't been online for a long time.  My system is fabulous , a bit tight to get back in the corner.  I have the ND5xs and a 555PS, Rega CD which is in the way.  I saw the Uniti Star, read the specs.  I suddenly got dissatisfaction and lust for new and shiny, one box instead of 3.

Any body have the Star or Nova?

Sticking. For a long time, possibly in fact the first time, I’m thinking primarily that I have a music collection before a music system. Such is the synergy.

Listening to The Grateful Dead ‘Wake Up to Find Out’ at the ‘Nassau Coliseum’ and it is just superb.

Enough already.

G

Shouldn’t Naim have started a thread like this to gauge the market before developing ND555? 

... or perhaps this is it, the things displayed at Bristol just empty boxes - imagineering!

Innocent Bystander posted:

Shouldn’t Naim have started a thread like this to gauge the market before developing ND555? 

... or perhaps this is it, the things displayed at Bristol just empty boxes - imagineering!

They must have had candles inside as they were lit up.

Alan Willby posted:

, if I was an owner of the current NDX or NDS, would find it very difficult to justify an upgrade unless there were some stunning trade-in deals.

Hi Alan,

I think you may of hot the nail on the head there!

Just my take......

I was a little disappointed to see the ND555 to be visually the same as the NDS (chassis). One of the things (make that many) things I always admired about the CD555 was it's physical presence as a reference player. It really stood out, therefore before you even heard it you thought you were getting something really special.

This thinking has not followed with the Naim reference streamer.

I can hear it now, Mr manufacturer of the NDS chassis we (Naim) are increasing our ordering with you and therefore want a bigger discount because of the bigger quantities (we hope) to sell..also whilst at it...Mr anodiser we want a bigger discount from you as well because of the increased quantity....o...ok then Mr Naim!!

Mr customer we want more money from you on our reference streamer coz it looks like an NDS.... but it's whats on the inside that counts...got it Naim!! O and if you haven't already considered this, you will want two off PSU's to go with that...hold on Mr Manufacturer & Mr Anodiser...we need a bigger discount now coz the chassis.....!!!

Cynical, yes...I'm getting old and maybe my hearing is to therefore I might not appreciate the "increased" quality the ND555 has to offer!!!! 

Will I have one if it ticks all the boxes...time will tell..that could be a lot of time depending on so many factors. Availability, reliability of software...the list like time could be endless.

I'm in no rush, and as Alan said above..."to justify an upgrade unless there were some stunning trade-in deals".

Naim...your move!!!

I personally think the smaller and more discreet the electronics the better - excellent sound should speak for itself. (Speakers can’t help but be big due to physics, though they are best discreetly presented...)

I don’t think Naim will have the same problems with launch timing on the new streamers as it did with the Uniti range. That was really down to software certifications from Google etc. The hard work on that is done so it should just be case if getting the new streamers to sound just as Jason etc want them to. I’m predicting summer availability.

Regards

David

The bottleneck in terms of sound will be Roy George, it will not launch until he is happy even if the public are clamouring for it.