Who’s planning to stick with the old or jump to the new?

Gazza posted:

The bottleneck in terms of sound will be Roy George, it will not launch until he is happy even if the public are clamouring for it.

You call this a bottleneck... What if the Beatles had given up doing Sgt. Pepper's because the public was screaming for having another Beatles for sale?

BTW, I stick with what I have. The more I learn about and experiment with streaming (as a humble example, the time and work I wasted to have my Asus Zenfone see and upload my iTunes library), the less I am interested in it.

Alba1320 posted:

 

If NDX2 really improve as much vs NDX, surely a new N272 is in the pipeline Vsoon

Not according to what people were told by Naim at 'Sound & Vision', though things change, of course...

Well until February (maybe January) when the news of the ND555 "leaked" there was no ND555, NDX2, ND5XS 2 "in the pipeline" either.

Antonio1 posted:

Or maybe the 272 will be discounted as 172xs was.

In a sense It's worked as stop gap until the new platform was out.

Maybe the 272 will be discontinued: but (I think) it has been reported that the 272 has been one of the biggest sellers for Naim (ever!) so why would they kill that off.  Yes it will be cannibalising some sales of NDX / 282 combinations; but I suspect for every cannibalised sale they make 2 or 3 sales they wouldn't have made otherwise (I'm slightly inventing numbers there).

Yes there is the alternative option of NDX2 / Supernait 2; but the 272/200 or 272/250 is a great system for those who want something more discrete (albeit not superior to larger box count systems).

Said chasis maker and anodiser price in euros as far as I know.

S3 posted:

I don’t think Naim will have the same problems with launch timing on the new streamers as it did with the Uniti range. That was really down to software certifications from Google etc. The hard work on that is done so it should just be case if getting the new streamers to sound just as Jason etc want them to. I’m predicting summer availability.

Agree with your statement about launch timing and software certifications, etc.

"Connections" said available in-store Summer 2018.

Eloise posted:

"Connections" said available in-store Summer 2018.

Any bets on June,  or August maybe ???

nigelb posted:

 I know of one dealer who has concerns that there will be no streamer to sell between £4k and £13k.

 

Surely he doesn't ONLY sell Naim? Why not look elsewhere..... it's not the be all and end all!!

Mr THX posted:

nigelb posted:

 I know of one dealer who has concerns that there will be no streamer to sell between £4k and £13k.

 

Surely he doesn't ONLY sell Naim? Why not look elsewhere..... it's not the be all and end all!!

Indeed. And isn't NDX2/XPS just such an 8k streamer between those two prices?

Perhapse the ND555 isn’t intended to be the flagship, it’s in the wrong series for a start and the wrong shaped box.

feeling_zen posted:

Mr THX posted:

nigelb posted:

 I know of one dealer who has concerns that there will be no streamer to sell between £4k and £13k.

 

Surely he doesn't ONLY sell Naim? Why not look elsewhere..... it's not the be all and end all!!

Indeed. And isn't NDX2/XPS just such an 8k streamer between those two prices?

I would estimate that Naim accounts for over 75% of this dealer's turnover as he is a Naim specialist. Anyway he wasn't complaining about his potential loss of revenue/margin, more that Naim are missing a trick here.

And the gap between the £4K and £13k price points I was referring to is for the streamer alone. Adding a power supply will of course bump up the price.

Anyway, I have acknowledged this price gap is probably an anomaly resulting from where Naim currently are with the continued development of their streamers. And why would I go elsewhere when I have not heard anything to beat Naim SQ?

Mike-B posted:

Eloise posted:

"Connections" said available in-store Summer 2018.

Any bets on June,  or August maybe ???

A dealer told me today he has ordered 3 ND555s and he was told July for delivery. Come to think of it, he didn't specify the year! (Sorry, that was uncalled for ).

So...

• ND5XS 2 ... £2,500
• NDX 2 ... £4,000
• NDX 2 / XPS ... £8,000
• NDX 2 / 555PS ... £11,000
• ND555 / 555PS ... £20,000
• ND555 / 2x 555PS ... £27,000

When looked at that way there’s not a huge gap a NDS could fit in.

(to add to that thinking people looking to spend £10k on a streamer may be persuaded to stretch, as would anyone looking to spend £14-16k where a NDS plus PSU might fit).

Eloise posted:

So...

• ND5XS 2 ... £2,500
• NDX 2 ... £4,000
• NDX 2 / XPS ... £8,000
• NDX 2 / 555PS ... £11,000
• ND555 / 555PS ... £20,000
• ND555 / 2x 555PS ... £27,000

When looked at that way there’s not a huge gap a NDS could fit in.

(to add to that thinking people looking to spend £10k on a streamer may be persuaded to stretch, as would anyone looking to spend £14-16k where a NDS plus PSU might fit).

That is one way of looking at the price hierarchy. But then there is the performance hierarchy. If the SQ performance of the NDX has been increased significantly with the NDX2 and it now approaches that of the NDS then fine, you are (almost) getting a NDS for NDX(2) money, making the NDS a truly superseded product. But I doubt that is the case, we will have to see.

If there is a big gap in SQ performance between the NDX2 and the ND555, then I would maintain there would be space (market) for a streamer between the two. Inevitably the market for a £20k streamer/PS combo will be limited. The problem is that I was told it is not possible for Naim to bridge the gap between these two streamers, presumably on technical and price grounds.

Switching from CD555 to ND555, keeping the PS and selling the head unit makes cost to change probably  <£10k.

Eloise posted:

So...

• ND5XS 2 ... £2,500
• NDX 2 ... £4,000
• NDX 2 / XPS ... £8,000
• NDX 2 / 555PS ... £11,000
• ND555 / 555PS ... £20,000
• ND555 / 2x 555PS ... £27,000

When looked at that way there’s not a huge gap a NDS could fit in.

(to add to that thinking people looking to spend £10k on a streamer may be persuaded to stretch, as would anyone looking to spend £14-16k where a NDS plus PSU might fit).

This makes me wonder how many turntables one could purchase within the #£

Perol posted:

This makes me wonder how many turntables one could purchase within the #£

For the price of the ND555 and one 555PS?

Well somewhere between 57 Project Debut Carbons and 1 Technics SP1000R

Eloise posted:

So...

• ND5XS 2 ... £2,500
• NDX 2 ... £4,000
• NDX 2 / XPS ... £8,000
• NDX 2 / 555PS ... £11,000
• ND555 / 555PS ... £20,000
• ND555 / 2x 555PS ... £27,000

When looked at that way there’s not a huge gap a NDS could fit in.

(to add to that thinking people looking to spend £10k on a streamer may be persuaded to stretch, as would anyone looking to spend £14-16k where a NDS plus PSU might fit).

You forgot ND555/XPS £17,000!

ChrisSU posted:

You forgot ND555/XPS £17,000!

I didn’t “forget” it... the ND555 only works with the 555PS afaik.

Eloise posted:

ChrisSU posted:

You forgot ND555/XPS £17,000!

I didn’t “forget” it... the ND555 only works with the 555PS afaik.

It doesn’t work with anything yet, it doesn’t exist!

ChrisSU posted:

It doesn’t work with anything yet, it doesn’t exist!

Pedant!  

(Though it exists in Naim's R&D lab, it just isn't available for members of the public to buy!)

Eloise posted:

ChrisSU posted:

It doesn’t work with anything yet, it doesn’t exist!

Pedant!  

(Though it exists in Naim's R&D lab, it just isn't available for members of the public to buy!)

Perhaps, but what exists now is just a work in progress, by Naim's admission. When the new Uniti streamers were announced (and that was the official announcement, not an accidental leak!) there were differences in both hardware and software between the first pictured units, and those that actually shipped to customers. So I figure that in these speculative threads, I can postulate pretty much whatever the hell I like! 

The Strat (Fender) posted:

I think I might buy a new tape deck.  

I recently bought one of those Nak's... amazing SQ when connected to a 552  (really).

And I was double chuffed when I bought a carrier bag full of pre-recorded cassettes at a church boot sale, amongst them I found a couple which had the retailer-specific spine label printed by Record Merchandisers back in the '80s.  The label was printed on the warehouse picking list and then applied by the order picker to the cassette spine.  So the label showed the retailer's logo and the retailer's own price... back in the day it was the dog's thingy's in personalisation for the music retailer.

How do I know this and why was this label so exciting for me to find in 2018?     Because it was me who designed the label and the computer system to use them 35 years ago;  when I worked for Record Merchandisers

OK, so this isn't the kind of legacy you tell your kids about, but it is something I can get emotional about, especially at my age  

Roger

The “old” ND5 XS is my “new”.  Since it was ex-demo, less than 12 months old, it was great value, it can be upgraded with an external power supply if I want to do that, and it can be operated from the front panel if the iPad is elsewhere...  I love it, music sounds brilliant, RP is terrific, and control automation is really useful.

So simply not interested in the “new”. Attention has switch back to improving vinyl replay.

I have not bothered with streaming so far, thats why my uninitiated question.. is the NDX2 a stand alone unit?