Aghh.. Where did the Magic go?

Posted by: MangoMonkey on 18 March 2018

When I first got my 500, I just plopped it up top on my existing gear. 

Left side: 500/NDS/552/Space/Nap300 (Turned off)

Right Side: 500 PSU/555 PSU/552 PSU/Space/Nap 300 PSU (turned off).

Maybe it was just the 500 replacing the 300, but the system was absolutely magical. This lasted a week or so. I sold off the Nap300, and along with it the cables that the DIN XLR cables between the Nap500 PSU and HeadUnit. (Those were from the 300). Newer Din/XLR cables (naim) arrived a week later as did 2x medium size fraim - one of which I've not gotten around to putting together yet.

Anyway - Just can't seem to recreate the magic anymore. 

From a setup perspective - What I had up there was something that no one would recommend. I just hear stories of how the Nap500PSU is super bad - one needs space around it. And that the NDS/552 need space around them. The setup was super compromised - but was awesome. Could be that I need heavy boxes at the bottom of the Fraim - but having a turned off Nap300 to make the music sound right seems a little extravagant. 

Also got new SL speaker cables + s/h SL interconnects in the mix.

Really no time to faff around anymore. 

Current setup:

Left: NDS/552/Space/500

Right: UnitiCore/555/552/space/500

Cables: SL interconnect, speaker cable. Regular Din/XLRs. 

Ethernet - BlueJeans with ferrites everywhere, except between cisco catalyst switch and streamer (Chord Indigo, Vodka etc - faffing around with those cables).

I'll have a dealer visit me in a couple of months...

To be clear - with current setup, the system isn't sounding bad. There's the sound one is used to vs. the 'right sound' - not even sure what it's actually supposed to sound like - or when to know to stop tinkering. :-)

No idea where to go from here - maybe just let the cables burn in a little.  Maybe best bet is to let the cables burn in a little and leave it all alone. :-)

 What's clearly interesting is how you can change how everything sounds just by playing with the setup of the boxes. At this point, I'd rather just take tone controls - using stacking order to change the tone is way out there...

Posted on: 19 March 2018 by Richieroo

What, eghh, speak up......

Posted on: 20 March 2018 by The Strat (Fender)

Okay it could be that the Primate’s new wires are taking a few hours to run-in but that’ll soon sort itself out.   But there are many variables in all of this not least the no doubt wide range of music that he indulges in, but even more what goes on in his head.   And this isn’t a dig at Mango it applies to all of us. 

It’s all good mate - don’t worry. 

And guys please don’t get him to arse about with cables - please!

Posted on: 20 March 2018 by yeti42
The Strat (Fender) posted:

Okay it could be that the Primate’s new wires are taking a few hours to run-in but that’ll soon sort itself out.   But there are many variables in all of this not least the no doubt wide range of music that he indulges in, but even more what goes on in his head.   And this isn’t a dig at Mango it applies to all of us. 

It’s all good mate - don’t worry. 

And guys please don’t get him to arse about with cables - please!

He's already done that so now there's no knowing if it's the cables or the stack order/Burndy dressing that is the cause of his woes.

Posted on: 20 March 2018 by Bart

I know from experience that the new SL speaker cables take some time to run in.  When I first got mine and turned on the system at first I was rather disappointed that I'd just spent so much $$.  That absolutely changed over time.

Posted on: 20 March 2018 by Stover

Put in the Harbeth's MM and the magic will be back 

Stover

Posted on: 20 March 2018 by Massimo Bertola
Ardbeg10y posted:

I was not really happy. I had to deliver a piece of software which I've been pushing forward for weeks and is more boring than doing an harmonic analysis of a Mozart piano piece, listening to a class full of female traverso students, or see Marlyn Monroe talk in a movie. Your post was a good reflection of my motivation. Decided to write the opposite to drag myself out of misery.

I wish I had the time to take a walk.

Hope you are feeling better, I do by now.

Sorry to Mango for being off topic, but we all know that your issue is a matter of time (what not by the way).

I'm sorry for your bad moment. Anyway, I never have female traverso students...

I wish you more relaxed moments. I have had my head hissing like a steam valve for two weeks, it stopped only today, while working (not with traverso beauties). Everyone has cripple days and there's no reason to justify or apologize. As for hijacking a thread to MM, with all due respect for such a hectic member, it's no easy task, one doesn't know where to put hands to begin with...

Best

Max

Posted on: 20 March 2018 by Massimo Bertola
Richieroo posted:

Max .. is your middle name 'Marvin'????

No middle name, sorry... But please explain, I don't know or understand everything all the time, unfortunately.

Ciao

Max 

Posted on: 20 March 2018 by Massimo Bertola
Wugged Woy posted:
And Max, do you have a lot of Joy Division CD's ?

Never had or heard one. But I have the complete Firehouse Five Plus Two discography on original American GTJ LPs (13), some mono, some stereo, some battered like an old whore some just 40 years old. I challenge you to find more indestructibly happy music.

Max

Posted on: 20 March 2018 by nigelb
Max_B posted:
Richieroo posted:

Max .. is your middle name 'Marvin'????

No middle name, sorry... But please explain, I don't know or understand everything all the time, unfortunately.

Ciao

Max 

Max, no reason you should understand this unless to have read the very funny book 'Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy' as I assume Richieroo was teasing you by referring to one of the characters (a robot actually) called Marvin The Paranoid Android. Marvin was actually more depressed than paranoid.

MM, apologies for perpetuating the diversion.

I too have a full SL loom and the bu**ers take ages to burn in. Let's hope that is all it is.

Posted on: 20 March 2018 by MDS
nigelb posted:
Max_B posted:
Richieroo posted:

Max .. is your middle name 'Marvin'????

No middle name, sorry... But please explain, I don't know or understand everything all the time, unfortunately.

Ciao

Max 

Max, no reason you should understand this unless to have read the very funny book 'Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy' as I assume Richieroo was teasing you by referring to one of the characters (a robot actually) called Marvin The Paranoid Android. Marvin was actually more depressed than paranoid.

MM, apologies for perpetuating the diversion.

I too have a full SL loom and the bu**ers take ages to burn in. Let's hope that is all it is.

But least, Max, takes this as an insult, Marvin also had 'a brain the size of a planet', if I remember correctly.

  

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by Massimo Bertola

NigelB, MDS,

Thanks for the explanation. I actually have read books by Douglas Adams, but not this very famous one from him: only The salmon of doubt. My favorite robot is then the one who accompanies the nameless hero of Robert Sheckley's Options, even though Robbie was a myth of my childhood. I have never had, and never will, the least interest in the two ones of the Star War's saga, a vacuum cleaner going about with an unsteadily walking queer. Ops, I wrote queer.

BTW, I find these diversions definitely more interesting than the original post. MM's jolly looniness and DB's deadpan seriousness in discussing changes in sound by changing the stacking order of boxes in a rack are a fantastic piece of contemporary theatre. I try to imagine such a conversation in a Marthaler or a Bernhard piece...

Max

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by MDS

I think it was in the Eighties that I read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was the funniest book I ever read. I was working away from home for a few months and would while away the evenings by sitting in a local pub having a quiet pint and reading.  I can recall being utterly unable to suppress my laughter while reading that book, even though I was very self-conscious and somewhat embarrassed by my outbursts. 

A very clever writer. 

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by Massimo Bertola

Yes, I agree. I very much admire Douglas Adams, and was sorry when he died. I will start the HH'sGTTG. I definitely need reading something which has not to do with music or the brain. Or, rather, which has, but in Douglas Adams' way...

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by Massimo Bertola

P.S. I am not disrespecting MM's or DB's convictions or dedication to their systems. I respect them as persons, not knowing them personally. But sometimes the degree of surrealism of the topics becomes such as to substitute for normality, and that is the moment to regain perspective. So, Mango and Bear, apologies if I sounded disrespectful.

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by Richieroo

Hi Max glad you enjoyed 'Marvin' - it was not meant as an insult........ now if I called you Rimmer that would have been different...... Anyway glad you are in better spirits now...

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by MangoMonkey

The funniest books i remember reading have to be 

- three men in a boat and

- leave it to psmith

I also heartily recommend the discworld series by Terry Pratchett.

I've read the Douglas Adams books but never really connected with them...

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by yeti42

The original Radio series was the best but parked itself in something of a corner by episode 12. Not sure I'm impressed by the recent one so far. Hexagonal phase? have I missed triangle square and pentagon? maybe that's why it doesn't seem to fit.

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by Beachcomber

I listened to the first of the hexagonal phase - really unimpressed.  Neither clever nor funny.

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by nigelb

Max, please be prepared for some rather English humour when you read HGTTG.

For example, a Ford Prefect is a quintessentially British car from the 60s and early 70s. Of course you may already be aware of this. Anyway, your open mind and sense of humour will lend themselves well to enjoying the book, me thinks.

Remember to keep posting and don't get too lost in English humour novels as some of us enjoy your musings on here very much.

BTW, Dark Bear's experience with all things related to Fraim stacking order and the like might be dry but vital to some of us who want to get the best from our very expensive systems. DB, I for one very much appreciate your experience and help so keep on rocking on please! It saves us endless swapping of heavy black boxes and my back is only getting weaker as the years pile on.

Again, apologies MM for the diversion.

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by Gavin L

Mango - a long shot, but just possible.  Check you haven’t forgotten to cross the speaker cables (left/right connected correctly).  I did that in my excitement to fit full SL and it sounds pretty flat.  You can still hear lots of detail, but of course, no depth to the sound.

Posted on: 21 March 2018 by MangoMonkey

I'll get back to this thread in another week or so, once I've had a chance to sort the mess out. 

Posted on: 22 March 2018 by The Strat (Fender)

Mango - do you read Bill Bryson?

Posted on: 22 March 2018 by MangoMonkey

I've read some of his books - more than 15 years ago at this point though. Walk in the woods, I think and a couple of other ones - something about the origins of the English language.