It arrived! 252/SCDR/300DR , what's next?

ngarritson posted:

I would suggest a fully rebuilt Nait2 when you’re ready to go to the next level. 

LOL !!!!! here we go again with that one.

analogmusic posted:

 The law of diminishing returns is from 282/250 levels, not really from the SN2, unless one has pretty average speakers and sources.

You mean average speakers like Dynaudio Focus 260's?  Your above statement makes about as much sense as your cable threads

How are those SL cables doing??????????????

analogmusic posted:

ngarritson posted:

I would suggest a fully rebuilt Nait2 when you’re ready to go to the next level. 

LOL !!!!! here we go again with that one.

A nait2 is more bearable than a setup of separates and is therefore more dimensioned to run circles around the latter.

Congratulations Tomser. That will be a fine sounding system. Enjoy.

Stu

badlands posted:

analogmusic posted:

 The law of diminishing returns is from 282/250 levels, not really from the SN2, unless one has pretty average speakers and sources.

You mean average speakers like Dynaudio Focus 260's?  Your above statement makes about as much sense as your cable threads

How are those SL cables doing??????????????

Focus 260 is not a high end speaker, 

.. I will selling them on for a Confidence C2 

And your previous X38, well .... your comments based on that entry level speaker with SN2 and comparing 282/250 DR are pretty misleading and worthless.

 Can you please please please stop posting misleading nonsense that SN2 is as good as the separates at 282/250 level.

analogmusic posted:

badlands posted:

analogmusic posted:

 The law of diminishing returns is from 282/250 levels, not really from the SN2, unless one has pretty average speakers and sources.

You mean average speakers like Dynaudio Focus 260's?  Your above statement makes about as much sense as your cable threads

How are those SL cables doing??????????????

Focus 260 is not a high end speaker, 

.. I will selling them on for a Confidence C2 

And your previous X38, well .... your comments based on that entry level speaker with SN2 and comparing 282/250 DR are pretty misleading and worthless.

 Can you please please please stop posting misleading nonsense that SN2 is as good as the separates at 282/250 level.

You really have to stop misquoting me on the SN2 vs 282/250 to try to make yourself look credible. It's not working.

May I politely request you take your ongoing argument elsewhere. It is threatening to derail and spoil this thread.

Tomser - like others have suggested, if I were in your position I would kick back, enjoy my 'new' music collection and maybe buy some really new music. Great system you have there. Enjoy it.

start saving for 552? 

Emre posted:

start saving for 552? 

+1

552 will make a 'big' difference (based on my own experience).

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your answer and hope you keep enjoying. I am sure you will

One thing that perplexed in a very good way is that in my system classical/baroque music is what plays best (maybe less boomy bass to interact with room). The powerlines and hi-line were a must for this to happen.

Yes the 552 is better (bigger, faster, more clarity, likelife, silence/blacks etc), i have a friend that has one. But believe me, a 252-300 can also be a fantastic end point. Depending on setup, incluiding speaker positioning it can be really fast and engaging. 

Be careful with the burndy and other cable between supercap and 252. 

Regards

Rui

analogmusic posted:

BADLANDSMEMBER

 

11/11/16

 

 

Horses for courses, but my recent home demo of the 282-250-2DR, didn't warrant the 8000.00 thousand dollar difference to these ears, the SN2 was that good.

 

Actually you are miss quoting him  what Badlands is saying here is that the 282/250DR is not $8,000 better than a Supernait 2 and having heard both I'd have to agree with him.

Rui, totally agree that 252/300 is a fantastic end point. It is mine! It’s already crazily expensive if you think about it, which I try not to do. Could never stretch to the 552 so I refuse to listen to one.

Tomser, just enjoy being thrilled by your system. That feeling should last for years!

Stu

Bob the Builder posted:

analogmusic posted:

BADLANDSMEMBER

 

11/11/16

 

 

Horses for courses, but my recent home demo of the 282-250-2DR, didn't warrant the 8000.00 thousand dollar difference to these ears, the SN2 was that good.

 

Actually you are miss quoting him  what Badlands is saying here is that the 282/250DR is not $8,000 better than a Supernait 2 and having heard both I'd have to agree with him.

That’s pretty subjective.... what source what speakers were used ?

It’s not an issue anyway I’ve heard all the range and the Naim sweet spot is at 282/250 level to my ears but one does need the source and speaker to hear it.

certainly not with an entry level Dynaudio speaker which includes what I have.

Some others think that the Naim range is only really  interesting at 252/552 levels and well I certainly can understand why. 

analogmusic posted:

Bob the Builder posted:

analogmusic posted:

BADLANDSMEMBER

 

11/11/16

 

 

Horses for courses, but my recent home demo of the 282-250-2DR, didn't warrant the 8000.00 thousand dollar difference to these ears, the SN2 was that good.

 

Actually you are miss quoting him  what Badlands is saying here is that the 282/250DR is not $8,000 better than a Supernait 2 and having heard both I'd have to agree with him.

That’s pretty subjective.... what source what speakers were used ?

It’s not an issue anyway I’ve heard all the range and the Naim sweet spot is at 282/250 level to my ears but one does need the source and speaker to hear it.

certainly not with an entry level Dynaudio speaker which includes what I have.

Some others think that the Naim range is only really  interesting at 252/552 levels and well I certainly can understand why. 

 

 

Calling Focus 260 entry level is not accurate. Not top of the line, sure, but not entry level. I'm sure if shows source upgrades very well. Maybe you just need some Chord cables to show their real potential.

Oh it sounds ok, until I heard the new Contour 60 and of course the Confidence C2, is sublime. by comparison.

In the Dynaudio hierarchy, you know how expensive it gets beyond the confidence level of speaker also.

With my Chord Dave, I am not getting the 3D image on Focus 260 that I heard on Confidence C2 speaker and also on the Sonus Faber AMati Futura speakers..... and it isn't the cables. Actually I never heard any speaker image like the C2, but the Amati was really very close.

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For sure the NAC552 would be the icing on the cake, if not the cake itself. But it’s out of my financial possibilities.

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Yes, the 252/SCDR/300DR suites marvellously classical music. It is much more revealing than the SuperNait2, and that’s quite pleasant.

Regarding the cable dressing, I spent huge amount of time sorting out the problem. Check my profile page. I posted some picture of my system.

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Thanks Stu, I’m like a kid with a new toy :-) And will keep that toy for quite a long time. The 552 is really out of my reach. The next step will probably be a streamer. Connecting a computer to the nDAC ends up being quite tiring. I prefer spending my free time listening to music or climbing.

TomSer posted:

Rui Marques posted:

I remember some members here saying the Supernait2 was almost as good as 252/300.

Found it strange, but everybody listens different.

Do you feel the bass is easier or more dificult to control?

Did you adjust the speaker positioning or no need?

Regards

Rui

Hello Rui,

It's quite strange and hard to believe that anyone could objectively state that SuperNait2/HiCapDR is almost as good as 252DR/300DR. As I said previously, the former is more precise, more revealing, more clean, more bass (astonishingly well controlled), better imaging... well, everything seams to be properly controlled. 

Don't get me wrong, the SuperNait2 is a wonderfully piece of analogue electronics. And I enjoyed it a lot!!!

Taste isn't something objective. So I can, of course, imagine that someone would prefer the SuperNait2. But, is it as "good" as the 252DR/300DR... not really.

After only 12-13 hours of usage, the sound is really great. I listen almost only to classical music. From renaissance to romantic periods. I've been told that this combo suites this kind of acoustic music. Well, it is quite true! The voices man, the voices! Cello, violin or piano solos are really more enjoyable. Schubert and Brahms trios are amazing. If you enjoy classical music, jazz or any well recorded acoustic music, then this combo is simply perfect.

Regarding speakers positioning and such, I did nothing at the moment, and the cables are a mess. I'll do the "fine tune" during the weekend (cables and positioning).

Cheers,

Tom

Very nicely put Tom - and with diplomatic levels of restraint regarding SN2 comparisons! You now know the truth of those comparisons and you are reaping the benefit. With classical music especially the 252/300 instantly demonstrates that it’s in another league. It’s a brilliantly well matched combination too. Well chosen. Enjoy your new music collection. 

Tomser,

Fantastic cable dressing and very nice room.

Speakers away from the corners....nice

Regards

Rui

Enjoy music?

NDS is what should come next, imo. I went from nDac to NDS and it really has changed how I use my system and for the better. Vinyl, iRadio and Tidal, CDs are for the time being not in use. But I still do have plans for my CD collection. If you have a lot of CDs a Uniti Core could be next? Does your CDX2 have a digital output?

My CDX2 has the digital output. I connect it to the nDAC+555PSDR via DC1. I have some CDs (~100-130 albums) but the bigger part of my music collection is on a computer (~1000 albums).

The computer is connected to the nDAC via USB. I use Audiophilleo 1 SE + PurePower as USB to SPDIF converter. The Audiophilleo wasn’t there when I took the pictures. It’s an expensive but quite good USB to SPDIF converter. It eliminates almost all jitter, reclocks the signal and acts like a galvanic isolation between the computer and the nDAC.

I used JRiver on a computer with Windows 2012 Server (striped). Now I’m migrating everything to a Roon Rock dedicated NUC. The PC will act as a Roon Endpoint.

In a near future I’ll probably drop the nDAC, and the computer, for one of the new and much awaited streamers 

It sounds like you got it covered! I am planning to get the Core soon-ish. I have around a 1000 CDs and it would be nice to have access to them somehow. Most of them are currently in storage due to the size of my apartment. I can live well with Tidal and such, but I still like the idea of ripping all those CDs I have bought over the years. I also think I might pick up some of those pretty great CD collections I see for sale here in Oslo for a very low price to expand my own private library. The future will be interesting for sure!

LP12.... 

stuart.ashen posted:

LP12.... 

Most probably ND555