About to give up with streaming

TallGuy posted:

I spent yesterday  doing just what I think Bryce wants.

Note:

By default dbPoweramp doesn't have Album Artist Sort and Artist Sort as fields you can use. You can add them through the settings for CD Ripper, or you can use Explorer (on Windows), right click a folder (album, not artist - eg "Heroes", but not the "David Bowie" higher level folder) and add fields from the db Poweramp metadata edit option.

 

Thank you so much David.  I had to open the Album folder and select all the tracks to get the edit option, but it has certainly worked on the one album I've tried.  Now I just need the rest of the mess sorted!  Away to retrieve my Atom from the bin!

PS  There's a setting in Asset>Configure that deals with the 'The' factor.

jsaudio posted:

David, thanks for your explanation will need to try tonight for "The" issues. Would like to have The Doors under D but listed as The Doors so that the Naim App will show the other The Doors albums in Tidal. It won't if its listed as Doors,The.

Do you Asset set on Smart mode or something else?

Also how do you know when its done rescanning? I have a Mac and QNAP NAS

thx

I do indeed have Asset in smart mode, but got very frustrated that it didn’t seem to be working as I expected, hence using the sort tags. Smart mode seems to help VLC, but was hit and miss  for me with the Naim app (probably something I was doing wrong as I have very few issues with the app)

You can go to asset via a browser and see the track and album count increasing as it reindexes. You know it’s there when the numbers stop increasing. 

Bryce Curdy posted:

TallGuy posted:

I spent yesterday  doing just what I think Bryce wants.

Note:

By default dbPoweramp doesn't have Album Artist Sort and Artist Sort as fields you can use. You can add them through the settings for CD Ripper, or you can use Explorer (on Windows), right click a folder (album, not artist - eg "Heroes", but not the "David Bowie" higher level folder) and add fields from the db Poweramp metadata edit option.

 

Thank you so much David.  I had to open the Album folder and select all the tracks to get the edit option, but it has certainly worked on the one album I've tried.  Now I just need the rest of the mess sorted!  Away to retrieve my Atom from the bin!

PS  There's a setting in Asset>Configure that deals with the 'The' factor.

There is - I’ve left mine set to Smart, but it didn’t seem to be as smart as I expected

A warning: make sure you don’t have leading spaces on the artist surnames if doing this - they end up at the top of the list, above “A” and the numbers and you can’t see why until you go back to your metadata editor  - it took me ages to spot that  typo !

It took me around 6 hours, but I now have 997 albums (about 14,000 tracks) and their artists showing correctly now. 

Worth it !!

And my wife hasn’t (yet) declared me as sad or a loonie. 

Well, if you give up on streaming then what does it matter if Bowie is under D or B? First world problems....

I second spending the $ on Roon and a NUC for serving it up. Seriously, it blows the Naim app out of the water and offers lots of customization, and most likely much more to come. Plus you can integrate Tidal albums seamlessly with your own local collection of rips. Free trail available as long as you have somewhere to run the core. It certainly made streaming exciting for me again....

Update - rebooting the NAS seems to have sorted the apparent corruption I described earlier which rescanning didn't seem to fix.  Adding sort tags using dBpoweramp as described by Tallguy definitely seems to work although frustrating that needs done album by album and no batch option.  So I'm just left with the mysteriously deleted Album Names for all my FLAC files with a forename beginning with A or B which I edited last night using MusicBrainz Picard.

Hopefully the forum will indulge me with two other obsessive questions:

I could not get AC/DC to display as just that, but one day I got up and it had.  But the unofficial 6 disc box set of radio broadcasts  featuring Bon Scott (Hell's Radio) which I recently added displays as AC.  I'm guessing '/' is not liked because it looks like a pathname.  Just don't know how I got round it before.  ACDC and AC-DC are both just plain wrong!

And what options do I have for double (and more) albums.  I don't like two copies of the artwork appearing under the relevant artist and neither do I like the second disc track numbering to start where the first finished.  So ideally one copy of the artwork which then lists Disc 1 with track numbers 1-X and Disc 2 with 1-Y.

TallGuy posted:

Bryce Curdy posted:

TallGuy posted:

I spent yesterday  doing just what I think Bryce wants.

Note:

By default dbPoweramp doesn't have Album Artist Sort and Artist Sort as fields you can use. You can add them through the settings for CD Ripper, or you can use Explorer (on Windows), right click a folder (album, not artist - eg "Heroes", but not the "David Bowie" higher level folder) and add fields from the db Poweramp metadata edit option.

 

Thank you so much David.  I had to open the Album folder and select all the tracks to get the edit option, but it has certainly worked on the one album I've tried.  Now I just need the rest of the mess sorted!  Away to retrieve my Atom from the bin!

PS  There's a setting in Asset>Configure that deals with the 'The' factor.

There is - I’ve left mine set to Smart, but it didn’t seem to be as smart as I expected

When I was googling solutions I came across somebody who could only get certain combinations of 'The' Artist & Album Handling and Artist Sort Handling in Asset Configure to work.  I have Smart and Use Sort to Order Display.

charlesphoto posted:

Well, if you give up on streaming then what does it matter if Bowie is under D or B? First world problems....

I second spending the $ on Roon and a NUC for serving it up. Seriously, it blows the Naim app out of the water and offers lots of customization, and most likely much more to come. Plus you can integrate Tidal albums seamlessly with your own local collection of rips. Free trail available as long as you have somewhere to run the core. It certainly made streaming exciting for me again....

I was a bit over dramatic but my main reason for pulling my hair out was a huge portion of my library appeared to have been corrupted and rescanning was not fixing it.  I will try Roon (told it's maybe not for everyone) but would like to get this right first.

And you do have your library backed up? Preferably in multiple places? First things first. 

charlesphoto posted:

Well, if you give up on streaming then what does it matter if Bowie is under D or B? First world problems....

 

A bit of a meaningless statement, given that hifi itself is a first world thing. If it doesn’t work how you want it to then it is a problem, particularly if you’ve spent a lot of money on the system.

The problem I find is not so much that bowie might be under B or D, but some albums might be under Bowie David, othere Bowie, David and others David Bowie, etc - and it is not always easy to find what particular bit of metadata is causing the oddities. Then multiply that by several dozen artists for which that may occur, and the frustrations worsen. When I was pursuing this with my own similar problems on an Audirvana forum, the responses were to address my metadata - but when there are hundreds of albums with incorrect, incomplete or inconsistent matadata, that is not very helpful - life is too short to spend weeks trying to sort it out. That was when I tried Roon, following some suggestions it would do the job well: but Roon also relies on the metadata, and it proved no better (and had its other limitations.)  If all would allow file structure sorting and browsing, life would be much easier!

(As previously noted, Naim does seem to work with file structure, at least with some UPnP servers - but for me buying an NDX or better just to be a renderer as a replacement for Audirvana is not a financially viable option, so I put up with the frustrations for now.)

Bryce Curdy posted:

charlesphoto posted:

Well, if you give up on streaming then what does it matter if Bowie is under D or B? First world problems....

I second spending the $ on Roon and a NUC for serving it up. Seriously, it blows the Naim app out of the water and offers lots of customization, and most likely much more to come. Plus you can integrate Tidal albums seamlessly with your own local collection of rips. Free trail available as long as you have somewhere to run the core. It certainly made streaming exciting for me again....

I was a bit over dramatic but my main reason for pulling my hair out was a huge portion of my library appeared to have been corrupted and rescanning was not fixing it.  I will try Roon (told it's maybe not for everyone) but would like to get this right first.

Are all those albums still funny? If you have rescanned Asset, try restarting Asset and clearing the upnp and image caches in the Naim App.

charlesphoto posted:

And you do have your library backed up? Preferably in multiple places? First things first. 

I do, one place only right enough.  I feared I might have backed up a corrupt version.

Innocent Bystander posted:

charlesphoto posted:

Well, if you give up on streaming then what does it matter if Bowie is under D or B? First world problems....

 

A bit of a meaningless statement, given that hifi itself is a first world thing. If it doesn’t work how you want it to then it is a problem, particularly if you’ve spent a lot of money on the system.

The problem I find is not so much that bowie might be under B or D, but some albums might be under Bowie David, othere Bowie, David and others David Bowie, etc - and it is not always easy to find what particular bit of metadata is causing the oddities. Then multiply that by several dozen artists for which that may occur, and the frustrations worsen. When I was pursuing this with my own similar problems on an Audirvana forum, the responses were to address my metadata - but when there are hundreds of albums with incorrect, incomplete or inconsistent matadata, that is not very helpful - life is too short to spend weeks trying to sort it out. That was when I tried Roon, following some suggestions it would do the job well: but Roon also relies on the metadata, and it proved no better (and had its other limitations.)  If all would allow file structure sorting and browsing, life would be much easier!

This.

The 'bit of a meaningless statement' is trying to score a cheap point IMVHO.  It's not as if streaming is in it's infancy.  And all I'm wanting is to browse for an album the way I used to do in a record shop.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Bryce Curdy posted:

charlesphoto posted:

Well, if you give up on streaming then what does it matter if Bowie is under D or B? First world problems....

I second spending the $ on Roon and a NUC for serving it up. Seriously, it blows the Naim app out of the water and offers lots of customization, and most likely much more to come. Plus you can integrate Tidal albums seamlessly with your own local collection of rips. Free trail available as long as you have somewhere to run the core. It certainly made streaming exciting for me again....

I was a bit over dramatic but my main reason for pulling my hair out was a huge portion of my library appeared to have been corrupted and rescanning was not fixing it.  I will try Roon (told it's maybe not for everyone) but would like to get this right first.

Are all those albums still funny? If you have rescanned Asset, try restarting Asset and clearing the upnp and image caches in the Naim App.

Seem fixed after rebooting the NAS.  Rescanning didn't work which is what started the panic, amateur dramatics etc!

That’s great. I had to reboot the nas once when nothing else would do it. It’s most odd, but the important thing is that it’s sorted out. You must be relieved. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

That’s great. I had to reboot the nas once when nothing else would do it. It’s most odd, but the important thing is that it’s sorted out. You must be relieved. 

Yes, very.  How do I clear the upnp cache?  Is that 'Reset app', 'Rebuild Music database' or something else?

Settings then input settings then clear upnp cache in the App. This, and clear image cache, under other settings, is the first thing to try if things go weird. 

Bryce Curdy posted:

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And what options do I have for double (and more) albums.  I don't like two copies of the artwork appearing under the relevant artist and neither do I like the second disc track numbering to start where the first finished.  So ideally one copy of the artwork which then lists Disc 1 with track numbers 1-X and Disc 2 with 1-Y.

I haven't tried this as I do want disk 2 to continue where disk 1 left off, but I think dbPoweramp by default will number disk 1 101 - 1nn and disk 2 201-2nn, so only one entry for the album and only one set of artwork. As I say, I haven't tried it so I could be wrong, but that's what the help says.

Blast, I've admitted to looking at the help

Hungryhalibut posted:

Settings then input settings then clear upnp cache in the App. This, and clear image cache, under other settings, is the first thing to try if things go weird. 

I don't seem to have that option with Input Settings.  I've got Servers as an option with Input enabled and Input name as suboptions.

Are you using a Naim streamer?

Yes, Atom.  Maybe different with the new range than your NDS?  Looks like `Reset app' will clear the upnp cache.

Good point Bryce. I can’t find the clear UPnP cache for the Star app. I, presumably like Nigel, assumed it’d be where it was for the old style streamers. 

Ah well, you have those funny newfangled things. They must be different. The upnp cache must be passé.

They are.  Confoundedly. Clear image cache is under “Other Settings” but the key UPnP cache clear is nowhere to be found.

See edited post above.  HH is, as always, correct if old fashioned .  Reset app will clear the cache.