Sorting and Displaying

Posted by: Bryce Curdy on 18 April 2018

I've had a couple of posts already about how I would like my library presented.  The example I gave was wanting David Bowie to sort under B but display as David Bowie, just like an address book.  It's proved challenging but I'm just about there using dBpoweramp to add Album Artist Sort and Artist Sort tags album by album (no batching possible).  So I'm sorting using Album Artist Sort (Bowie, David) but displaying Album Artist (David Bowie).  There are a couple of artists who are resistant to change; David Lynch, Jack White and Jace Everett take a bow, but a sad few hours later and I'm nearly there.

I'm not sure it's got anything to do with the added tags, but I've got a really weird issue that rescanning the entire library, clearing the image cache and rebooting the NAS hasn't fixed.  Under the letter P I've got the following sequence:

Several Album Artists correctly sorted up until and including Iggy Pop

Fine Young Cannibals

Lisa Stansfield

Cole Porter (correctly sorted)

Sinead O'Connor

U2

Erasure (profuse apologies for bad taste!)

Neneh Cherry

And then it continues correctly from Gregory Porter

For two of those artists I've a lot of albums so finding a solution that doesn't involve editing each individual album would be good.  On the Naim App under Other Settings there is an option to 'Rebuild music database'.  How does that work?  I'm confused as I thought the App just saw whatever was presented to it.

Posted on: 18 April 2018 by David Hendon

I think the app just issues the instruction to the relevant Naim server (e.g. Core) which goes ahead and does it. But whether it would work with a NAS running whatever software I don't know.

best

David

Posted on: 18 April 2018 by TallGuy

This has happened to me (using Asset). I fix it by resetting the app and restarting Asset. I don’t open the app again until I think Asset has finished reindexing.  I’ve noticed the app eats memory on my iPad so I’m guessing it’s not refreshing properly. 

Occasionally switching the app to A-Z mode and back again then restarting the app seems to work. 

I think the option you mention is only applicable to a Naim storage device (Core).

Posted on: 18 April 2018 by Bryce Curdy
TallGuy posted:

This has happened to me (using Asset). I fix it by resetting the app and restarting Asset. I don’t open the app again until I think Asset has finished reindexing.  I’ve noticed the app eats memory on my iPad so I’m guessing it’s not refreshing properly. 

Occasionally switching the app to A-Z mode and back again then restarting the app seems to work. 

I think the option you mention is only applicable to a Naim storage device (Core).

Thanks for the suggestion but not helped.  I'm just trying the A-Z thing now.  So random and irritating.  Why does this have to be so difficult to get right?

Posted on: 18 April 2018 by Bryce Curdy

Too late to Edit.

The Cole Porter album in the middle of the six wrongly sorted artists is a tribute compilation album featuring tracks by the six artists so that's what they have in common.  Still confused as to why they were placed there rather than under their own letter but can probably sort it now that I've worked out the connection.

Posted on: 18 April 2018 by Gavin B

How are you browsing Asset to find this?

I prefer to do my browsing by Album Artist. Under my 'scheme', The Cole Porter album would be just one entry under P.

With compilations like this you probably also need to set the Sort tags for each track, and I think that would show the tracks up in the right place (O for O'Connor) if you browsed by Artist (rather than album artist).

Browsing by Album Artist isn't one of the pre-built items on the browse tree - it needs to be added manually (but it's easy to do).

Posted on: 18 April 2018 by TallGuy

Aha, that old chestnut  - been there, seen it, got the T dirt.  I found I needed to go into Asset->Alternative->album artist (I hope I’ve remembered, I’m not with my system at the moment) to avoid that situation. You do need to make sure you’ve got “album artist” set to the name you want to find it under. 

“Alternative” is the important part and your best friend here. 

I think

I’ve finally got to a point where I’ve got what I want and it now all works splendidly. I can now just sit back and pull up what I want how I expect to do it, then just put the iPad down and listen. Well worth the effort when you get there

Posted on: 18 April 2018 by Bryce Curdy

I am using Album Artist already.  My 'mistake' was to set the Artist Sort tag on the Cole Porter album to Porter, Cole.  Removing that has fixed my problem except Sinead O'Connor has been moved from P to S rather than P to O.  Think I'll just leave Artist Sort blank for compilations.  Editing metadata on an album by album basis is obsessive enough.  Not enough time left on the planet for track by track editing.

Posted on: 18 April 2018 by Gavin B
Bryce Curdy posted:

Not enough time left on the planet for track by track editing.

Absolutely!

There could be an Asset 'smart' setting for how things like O' is handled (as there is for A, The etc.)

Although, on second reading, this really is down to the Sort tags for individual songs. Mind you, this album shouldn't be shown for Sinead O'Connor if she's 'just' a track artist - the album should just be under Cole Porter (P).

Posted on: 18 April 2018 by TallGuy
Bryce Curdy posted:

I am using Album Artist already.  My 'mistake' was to set the Artist Sort tag on the Cole Porter album to Porter, Cole.  Removing that has fixed my problem except Sinead O'Connor has been moved from P to S rather than P to O.  Think I'll just leave Artist Sort blank for compilations.  Editing metadata on an album by album basis is obsessive enough.  Not enough time left on the planet for track by track editing.

Quite right, but you should be able to save some real life by doing  it at album level for all but compilations if using dbpoweramp - certainly under Windows you can.  Did you select to enable dbpa editing from Explorer right click when installing it ?

i don’t think I’ve had any failures with dbpa on compilation albums, only those where I create the compilation (for example I’m slowly adding all of my 7,12 inch and cd singles to a compilation I’ve called “Singles” and keep making clumsy mistakes  that scatter tracks all over the library. I need to pay more attention  )

Posted on: 19 April 2018 by sjbabbey

Why not create an m3u playlist for your singles instead?