CDX2 to be discontinued?

Perol posted:

I would choose a second-hand Rega Isis/Isis Valve anyday of the week

It lacks one thing only and that is a DIN connection on the rear panel

David Hendon posted:

But it also doesn't have that lovely Naim swing open door and that moment of anticipation as you clamp the disc with the puck and close the door again with a gentle thunk noise....

Yeah, but Rega CDPs got that badass Starship Enterprise lid. Plus the anticipation of waiting for (and hoping) your CD initializes.

Clay Bingham posted:

Looking back, CD as a format was doomed from the start. Among the reasons:

1. It was compact in size and took up little room. Hard to impress folks with that. No special stands needed, no special forging, milling, etc. though some tried this angle.

2. It was fuss free and easy to use. No VTA, compliance, capacitance, loading, tracking force, alignment, and other issues to fixat on and fuss about. 

3. CD players were not typically sold as component parts as were, turntables, arms, arm stands, supplental arm weights, phono cables, and cartridges. As a result they were very boring, leaving the audio obsessed with almost nothing to worry about except the music.

You may have overlooked the most fundamental reason; no music CD copy protection.

Tony2011 posted:

It seems Naim is bound to phase out CD playing production altogether just like they did with their speakers line. I wonder what’s next for the chop?

Perhaps stand-alone DACs....

Jude2012 posted:

Tony2011 posted:

It seems Naim is bound to phase out CD playing production altogether just like they did with their speakers line. I wonder what’s next for the chop?

Perhaps stand-alone DACs....

Naim DAC possibly, DAC-V1 surely not? 

Dave

dave4jazz posted:

Jude2012 posted:

Tony2011 posted:

It seems Naim is bound to phase out CD playing production altogether just like they did with their speakers line. I wonder what’s next for the chop?

Perhaps stand-alone DACs....

Naim DAC possibly, DAC-V1 surely not? 

Dave

Dropping either would be a shame.  Unless there are plans for their evolution....

I suppose both the Star and the Unity Serve or what it is called, can play cds instead of ripping them like the old servers, so cds are not out  entirely. Unlike Linn Naim at least  takes care to service available players as long as possible.'

French Rooster posted:

Emre posted:

i have cd2x should i buy cd2x.2

you should wait cdx3.....     more seriously, some found the cdx2 better than the cdx2.2( with digital output).  the phillips laser mecanism is better on the cdx2( i read that).  To verify....

i may have to wait forever i was only joking... i just replaced laser on my 10 year old cd2x, unless i find a very good cd555 i will never change it... plays like a charm with my 555PSDR

Emre posted:

French Rooster posted:

Emre posted:

i have cd2x should i buy cd2x.2

you should wait cdx3.....     more seriously, some found the cdx2 better than the cdx2.2( with digital output).  the phillips laser mecanism is better on the cdx2( i read that).  To verify....

i may have to wait forever i was only joking... i just replaced laser on my 10 year old cd2x, unless i find a very good cd555 i will never change it... plays like a charm with my 555PSDR

i was joking too for the cdx3....

rsch posted:

One day it would be very disappointing for me to rely with another cd manufacturer (albeit there are quite excellent solutions on the market ) in the contest of a full Naim system.

Roberto,

the solution is letting the idea of a full Naim system go. I know that I am the least qualified person on Earth to do such a statement, but truth is, there is not only Naim. My current system is not a full Naim one, and I confess that if another of my mad moments should come, I'd keep the S-400s for sure, while I know that I could find other satisfying sources and amps.

Don't have such a catastrophic perspective on the future. Everything is replaceable, safe for lifetime.

A presto,

Max  

Max_B posted:

rsch posted:

One day it would be very disappointing for me to rely with another cd manufacturer (albeit there are quite excellent solutions on the market ) in the contest of a full Naim system.

Roberto,

the solution is letting the idea of a full Naim system go. I know that I am the least qualified person on Earth to do such a statement, but truth is, there is not only Naim. My current system is not a full Naim one, and I confess that if another of my mad moments should come, I'd keep the S-400s for sure, while I know that I could find other satisfying sources and amps.

Don't have such a catastrophic perspective on the future. Everything is replaceable, safe for lifetime.

A presto,

Max  

Heresy! Burn the witch. 

Perol posted:

Japtimscarlet posted:

Get one while you can then!!

Far too expensive

I would choose a second-hand Rega Isis/Isis Valve anyday of the week

It lacks one thing only and that is a DIN connection on the rear panel

 

Well, a 2nd hand rega Isis is still much costlier that a 2nd hand CDX2, which you can still buy for €1300/1500. But I admit that on a couple of occasions I thought that a simple rega Apollo was musically more natural and listenable than a CDX2.

If the matching rega Brio3 hadn't been such a modest performer (I can accept a modicum of mish mash, but possibly CD and amp of the same brand, please) I might have ended up with that unassuming, lovely pair. But the Brio3 sounded ok only with Harbeth M30.1s, and there was a 10/1 difference of cost....

MDS posted:

Max_B posted:

rsch posted:

One day it would be very disappointing for me to rely with another cd manufacturer (albeit there are quite excellent solutions on the market ) in the contest of a full Naim system.

Roberto,

the solution is letting the idea of a full Naim system go. I know that I am the least qualified person on Earth to do such a statement, but truth is, there is not only Naim. My current system is not a full Naim one, and I confess that if another of my mad moments should come, I'd keep the S-400s for sure, while I know that I could find other satisfying sources and amps.

Don't have such a catastrophic perspective on the future. Everything is replaceable, safe for lifetime.

A presto,

Max  

Heresy! Burn the witch. 

Be my guest. But bring your own matches.

M.

Max_B posted:

MDS posted:

Max_B posted:

rsch posted:

One day it would be very disappointing for me to rely with another cd manufacturer (albeit there are quite excellent solutions on the market ) in the contest of a full Naim system.

Roberto,

the solution is letting the idea of a full Naim system go. I know that I am the least qualified person on Earth to do such a statement, but truth is, there is not only Naim. My current system is not a full Naim one, and I confess that if another of my mad moments should come, I'd keep the S-400s for sure, while I know that I could find other satisfying sources and amps.

Don't have such a catastrophic perspective on the future. Everything is replaceable, safe for lifetime.

A presto,

Max  

Heresy! Burn the witch. 

Be my guest. But bring your own matches.

M.

Now I wouldn't want to make a martyr out of you, Max.  

Down at the factory today and when asked about why the CDX2 has been discontinued, Trevor said it was mostly down to availability of mechanisms. Mech yields were getting very poor - down to one in four - and of the good ones there are enough spare mechs at Naim for the number of machines made, so a decision was made to cease production to ensure that all remaining stocks of spare mechs would be there to support existing CDX2 owners.

Well as a CDX2.2 owner that's good to hear, Richard.

Richard Dane posted:

Down at the factory today and when asked about why the CDX2 has been discontinued, Trevor said it was mostly down to availability of mechanisms. Mech yields were getting very poor - down to one in four - and of the good ones there are enough spare mechs at Naim for the number of machines made, so a decision was made to cease production to ensure that all remaining stocks of spare mechs would be there to support existing CDX2 owners.

Thanks for the information, that answers the question I was going to ask: should I get a spare mechanism, just in case...

Yes it was interesting to hear that the CDX2 is stopping because of quality mech availability used in the CDX2 not because lack of demand... in fact on the construction  floor, where most things are made to order I saw one brand new freshly built CDX2 and two freshly constructed  CD5 SI in soak test amongst other freshly built products so demand is clearly still there... get the CDX2 whilst you can..... however we understood if a secure supplies of quality mechs was reestablished, then production of the CDX2 could start up again.... 

Richard Dane posted:

Down at the factory today and when asked about why the CDX2 has been discontinued, Trevor said it was mostly down to availability of mechanisms. Mech yields were getting very poor - down to one in four - and of the good ones there are enough spare mechs at Naim for the number of machines made, so a decision was made to cease production to ensure that all remaining stocks of spare mechs would be there to support existing CDX2 owners.

Committment to existing customers. 'Like'.

(And I don't even own a CDX2).

Richard Dane posted:

a decision was made to cease production to ensure that all remaining stocks of spare mechs would be there to support existing CDX2 owners.

A typically Naim attitude. Or at least, a very good bit of PR. Preferable to Linn's "CD is dead" publicity stunt when they stopped building theirs.

Loved my CDX2 but that was a long time ago. I think we are approaching the 10th anniversary of a CD being used for playback in this house, although they are still at common method of obtaining music. I was ripping one only last night...

Sorry if I’m being a bit dense but what does “Mech yeilds were getting very poor - down to 1 in 4” actually mean ? Does it mean that, of the mechs Naim have in stock, only 1 in 4 are actually usable ?

I doubt it means those in stock. More likely to mean those supplied or those offered for Naim to purchase. I don't know what the buying model is for mechanisms. For many components, Naim buy a batch, keep the ones that pass their required testing standards, and sell the rest on. 

It means that, of those being delivered to Naim by the supplier, only one in four met Naim’s standards. 

I wonder what they do with the other three? Sell on, return or bin?

Thankyou for the insight.

The model is you buy them by the hundred or thousand.  They arrive and sit in their polystyrene packaging for ages - sometimes many years.  Meanwhile Naim remove some mechs for upcoming builds and put them through various tests before they are deemed acceptable and ready to be used on production.  By yield, I mean the number that make it through testing and are deemed by Naim to be acceptable.  Some are even DOA.  There's no meaningful warranty, particularly after so long, and any failures are put in quarantine and then disposed of.