Core and coverart/metadata.

FRED47, Ive ripped nearly 1000 CDs on my Core only had one that could not be recognised on the Core but DBpoweramp could not rip it either Ironically I Tunes did ??

I do get the odd CD that either shows the incorrect cover art or none at all but it is very easy to change or add cover art and edit other metadata if required.

I have an average of 3 out of ten! Coverart is easy to do and  to fil in, but to manually fil all the songs in..

Something has to be wrong if you are getting that many rips without full metadata! Is the Core using a reliable internet connection? 

It depends what your taste in music is. If you buy mainly new classical releases from minor labels, or from DG strangely, like I do then I would estimate that about a third are completely unrecognised by the Core. In time some of those will be recognised, but it's weeks not days in my experience. The Core's difficulty in identifying discs in classical multi-disc sets is also well discussed on the forum. Having a symphony labelled as "The Greats - volume 27" for example is not terribly helpful!

The Core uses three metadata lookups. First Rovi, then if there is no return from that it uses Musicbrainz and if there is no return from that either it uses FreedB. If none of them have metadata for that CD then you get the dreaded "Unknown album". You can always edit the metadata and add it manually if you want, and add album art too. You must do this via the app. If there is no metadata then of course there is no cover art either.

Other threads have pointed out that other metadata sources, like Gracenote for example, recognise discs that the Core doesn't, but in the end we are stuck with those services that Naim chose.

best

David

ChrisSU posted:

Something has to be wrong if you are getting that many rips without full metadata! Is the Core using a reliable internet connection? 

Yes I do have a reliable internet connection. No problem in that respect.

David Hendon posted:

It depends what your taste in music is. If you buy mainly new classical releases from minor labels, or from DG strangely, like I do then I would estimate that about a third are completely unrecognised by the Core. In time some of those will be recognised, but it's weeks not days in my experience. The Core's difficulty in identifying discs in classical multi-disc sets is also well discussed on the forum. Having a symphony labelled as "The Greats - volume 27" for example is not terribly helpful!

The Core uses three metadata lookups. First Rovi, then if there is no return from that it uses Musicbrainz and if there is no return from that either it uses FreedB. If none of them have metadata for that CD then you get the dreaded "Unknown album". You can always edit the metadata and add it manually if you want, and add album art too. You must do this via the app. If there is no metadata then of course there is no cover art either.

Other threads have pointed out that other metadata sources, like Gracenote for example, recognise discs that the Core doesn't, but in the end we are stuck with those services that Naim chose.

best

David

David.

I don"t like classical music so I have none.What seems to be odd to me is that the same cd ripped on my computer shows metadata and coverart and with the Core nothing. Yes I know how to manually  add coverart.Thx anyway.

As a matter of interest, the Core doesn't need a reliable internet connection, in that if the Internet connection is down it will rip something as unknown and then keep checking back to see whether it can talk to the metadata lookups yet. This is explained in one of the FAQs. But anyway it could mean something is unrecognised when you rip it and you don't know at the time what will or won't happen later!

best

David

fred47 posted:

David Hendon posted:

It depends what your taste in music is. If you buy mainly new classical releases from minor labels, or from DG strangely, like I do then I would estimate that about a third are completely unrecognised by the Core. In time some of those will be recognised, but it's weeks not days in my experience. The Core's difficulty in identifying discs in classical multi-disc sets is also well discussed on the forum. Having a symphony labelled as "The Greats - volume 27" for example is not terribly helpful!

The Core uses three metadata lookups. First Rovi, then if there is no return from that it uses Musicbrainz and if there is no return from that either it uses FreedB. If none of them have metadata for that CD then you get the dreaded "Unknown album". You can always edit the metadata and add it manually if you want, and add album art too. You must do this via the app. If there is no metadata then of course there is no cover art either.

Other threads have pointed out that other metadata sources, like Gracenote for example, recognise discs that the Core doesn't, but in the end we are stuck with those services that Naim chose.

best

David

David.

I don"t like classical music so I have none.What seems to be odd to me is that the same cd ripped on my computer shows metadata and coverart and with the Core nothing. Yes I know how to manually  add coverart.Thx anyway.

It's all about what the different metadata services have had submitted to them by the CD publisher. That's why you can see it in iTunes, but not in the Core, for example.

best

David

Might be worth forcing it to look up using musicbrainz or freedb, just in case this is not being done automatically. I would also check it’s on the latest firmware, worth a try.

I know but if you can listen at the same time to the internet radio their seems to be nothing wrong at that moment with the internet connection. Strange.

David Hendon posted:

fred47 posted:

David Hendon posted:

It depends what your taste in music is. If you buy mainly new classical releases from minor labels, or from DG strangely, like I do then I would estimate that about a third are completely unrecognised by the Core. In time some of those will be recognised, but it's weeks not days in my experience. The Core's difficulty in identifying discs in classical multi-disc sets is also well discussed on the forum. Having a symphony labelled as "The Greats - volume 27" for example is not terribly helpful!

The Core uses three metadata lookups. First Rovi, then if there is no return from that it uses Musicbrainz and if there is no return from that either it uses FreedB. If none of them have metadata for that CD then you get the dreaded "Unknown album". You can always edit the metadata and add it manually if you want, and add album art too. You must do this via the app. If there is no metadata then of course there is no cover art either.

Other threads have pointed out that other metadata sources, like Gracenote for example, recognise discs that the Core doesn't, but in the end we are stuck with those services that Naim chose.

best

David

David.

I don"t like classical music so I have none.What seems to be odd to me is that the same cd ripped on my computer shows metadata and coverart and with the Core nothing. Yes I know how to manually  add coverart.Thx anyway.

It's all about what the different metadata services have had submitted to them by the CD publisher. That's why you can see it in iTunes, but not in the Core, for example.

best

David

I had a better look and found that Rovi metadata is showing ok within my computer but, in the Core he can not find or acces the same Rovi database. Strange to say the least.

Fred, just had  five secondhand CDs turn up all ripped just had to add cover artwork on two.

Never had anywhere near the problems you are encountering.

Gazza posted:

Might be worth forcing it to look up using musicbrainz or freedb, just in case this is not being done automatically. I would also check it’s on the latest firmware, worth a try.

I always do that if I get an unknown album result but it never made any difference! I also check every week or so on CDs where I didn't get metadata and now and then I get a pleasant surprise! What I tend to do with an unknown album is to sort the cover art out but not touch the metadata for a while.

i don't think there has been any Core firmware change affecting metadata lookup, at least not since the update that introduced metadata editing. (I always pay particular attention to Core betas so read carefully whatever we are told!)

best

David