ND555 and Qobuz

Posted by: m.paul taylor on 18 May 2018

I have ordered a ND555. I use Tidal hi-def for my NDS. Any guidance from members on the level of SQ to  be expected from Qobuz on the ND555 would be gratefully received - and how I would access Qobuz

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 18 May 2018 by hungryhalibut

You’ll have to access it via Googlecast, or by the mconnect app or bubbleupnp if you have a suitable nas. As to the sound quality it will be you telling us, rather than vice versa. 

Posted on: 18 May 2018 by al9315

It would be nice if your profile showed the rest of your system components?

Posted on: 18 May 2018 by m.paul taylor

NDS TWIN BURNDY

552 DR NAC

300 DR NAP

555 DR PS

TITAN 606

 

Posted on: 18 May 2018 by DaveBk

I just download from Qobuz and store on my my NAS. Perfect....

Posted on: 18 May 2018 by Foxman50

How on earth do you expect anyone to answer this with any meaning. Heres one it will sound S&@T, heres another it will sound like heaven has poured in through your door.

Posted on: 18 May 2018 by m.paul taylor

I was interested in the technical aspects - Naim is set up for Tidal, not for Qobuz. I wanted to know if the means of accessing Qobuz diminished the higher resolution offered by Qobuz over Tidal

Posted on: 18 May 2018 by HiFiman

It may sound okay but the ND555 is quiet at the moment so my 272 sounds better.

Posted on: 18 May 2018 by Chag...

I would be interested to know whether the built-in ChromeCast Audio player is a variant allowing 24/176 and 24/192 replay whereas the dongle is limited to 24/96. ????

Chag -

Posted on: 19 May 2018 by Claus-Thoegersen

According to Naim the Unities supports  up to 192, but as I remember the post in the beta forum it depends on other factors. The limit on 96 with the dongle is set by Google. Probably there is a limit to what they can do with cheap hardware.
Claus

Posted on: 19 May 2018 by ChrisSU

Naim state on their website that the built in Chromecast on the ND555 can play 192kHz, so I assume that they have got their facts right!? The CCA thing has a Toslink output, and these are generally quoted as being up to 96kHz only (although higher speeds can sometimes be achieved in practice) so perhaps it's not surprising that they quote a 96kHz limit.

Posted on: 19 May 2018 by Frank Yang

Get a MacMini with Audirvana, you can play Qobuz sublime+ and stream 192/24 to any streamer with Audirvana UPnP 

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by m.paul taylor

I use Windows - isn’t the Macmini for Apple kit?

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by m.paul taylor

... although I do have an iPad. Would that work?

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by ChrisSU
m.paul taylor posted:

... although I do have an iPad. Would that work?

No, Audirvana runs on Apple computers, not iPads. Given that the new streamers can play Qobuz via built in Chromecast, it would seem a bit OTT to run it on a separate computer instead. 

There were some teething problems with the Qobuz Chromecast implementation, but I believe these are now sorted, so hopefully you will not need a workaround solution with more boxes just to get Qobuz on your 555!

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by m.paul taylor

That is really helpful. Thank you

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by ChrisSU
DaveBk posted:

I just download from Qobuz and store on my my NAS. Perfect....

[@mention:1566878603935994] are you talking about purchased downloads here, or can you download anything from a streaming subscription?

With Tidal, you can download any material for offline listening, but only on mobile devices. If this was possible from within the Naim app Tidal input, you could potentially save to USB storage on the streamer. That could be a neat solution, especially for those with flaky internet connections. 

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by m.paul taylor

Forgive my ignorance, I just want to stream, not to download. Won’t downloading cost me per download? I would subscribe to Sublime+ on the basis that I would be streaming at very high resolution 

 

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by Simon-in-Suffolk
ChrisSU posted:
m.paul taylor posted:

... although I do have an iPad. Would that work?

No, Audirvana runs on Apple computers, not iPads. Given that the new streamers can play Qobuz via built in Chromecast, it would seem a bit OTT to run it on a separate computer instead. 

There were some teething problems with the Qobuz Chromecast implementation, but I believe these are now sorted, so hopefully you will not need a workaround solution with more boxes just to get Qobuz on your 555!

Chris, if you use BubbleUPnP Server, you don’t need more boxes, you load the proxy server on your NAS/media-server/computer server that you are already using and you are away. This is a software solution, and a pretty straightforward one.... and to my ears Tidal sounds better this way compared to direct streaming ( I have written why I believe why before on this forum) , and Qobuz overall sounds better... it would appear the distribution masters as sent are not the same between the two or something else is at play.

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by Simon-in-Suffolk
m.paul taylor posted:

Forgive my ignorance, I just want to stream, not to download. Won’t downloading cost me per download? I would subscribe to Sublime+ on the basis that I would be streaming at very high resolution 

 

If you purchase and one time download  a media file, you store and play it locally, and these are called download services. However internet based streaming services are subscription services, and one typically pays monthly and you can stream from the internet streaming service provider (like Qobuz) for as much or as little as you want for that monthly subscription. With streaming services, you never posses the media, you just access it from the internet using streaming each time you want to listen to that media. Many people have a mixture of the two.

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by Mike-B

Buying a ND555 for just internet streaming is to me like buying an Aston Martin for the school run.     The ND555 has so so may capabilities far & above what streaming has to offer.  Downloading to give you local streaming from your NAS (or similar) has so much more to offer.     As good as Qobuz might be,  it still has some catalogue limitations,  while they are one of my prefered vendors for downloads (together with HighResAudio)  they only account for about 1/3rd of my download purchases,  I'm not tied to them & restricted to only the old 16-bit version they may have, or unable to buy a new release because of whatever licence they have not got.   Its a big world out there,  wider horizons are available outside Qobuz.  

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by m.paul taylor

Thank you. I am still new to these devices - I used an HDX for many years. I am still feeling my way. I have used Tidal hi-res on the NDS and have been impressed. Any guidance from more advanced members of the forum is very welcome. I like the convenience and extensive choice I get from streaming. On a totally different point, will the internet radio in the 555 differ from the NDS

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by hungryhalibut

I’ve been trialling Qobuz, using bubbleupnp on my Nas. The sound is very good, but it’s certainly not as good as listening to my own music streamed directly from the Qnap. It would be useful to know whether the OP has stored music on their own Nas, or whether streaming is the sole source of music. That information would enable better guidance on how best to proceed. 

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by m.paul taylor

Thank you. I have about 700 CDs which were ripped on the HDX and more that I downloaded 

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by hungryhalibut

So do you have the HDX backed up to a Nas? 

Posted on: 20 May 2018 by Mike-B
m.paul taylor posted:

On a totally different point, will the internet radio in the 555 differ from the NDS

No,  the URL stream codec & bitrate is controlled by the web radio station.