Is the ND555 now the pinnacle of sound?

Posted by: Consciousmess on 09 June 2018

I ponder and ask this question as I’ve been reading all the posts around this latest item - and admittedly, would also buy it if I could.  Surely there’s a point sound cannot get any better?  Obviously by me reading this forum and enjoying a full Naim system, I’m in the class of appreciating outstanding music reproduction, but taking a step back I equally need to take a reality check!

The human ear/brain has its limit. So what next?  In 10 years, 20 years?

Posted on: 12 June 2018 by Innocent Bystander

I should have asked, is there an electric to acoustic energy transducer at the top?

Or when the person is calling people to prayer does he cling to the spike at the top?

Posted on: 12 June 2018 by Huge

The voice of the Muezzin can be electronically amplified at some Mosques.

As for the spike, (cf. the top balcony); I'm not going to ask the purpose of that.

Posted on: 12 June 2018 by Innocent Bystander

In the Marrakech Medina all the mosques have loudspeakers of the loudhailer horn type  around the towers, thus ensuring that everyone in even the most catacomb-like Rhiad cannot fail to miss a single call, no matter what they are doing or how deeply they may have been sleeping...

But none were on the pinnacle of any spires, and I see none in that photo...

Posted on: 12 June 2018 by Ardbeg10y

If we are searching for the pinnacle of sound, do we agree that Music is needed to reveal this?

If so, what kind of Music? Can we agree that a Fugue is the most perfect form in music?

If so, that Bach is the best composer of Fugues?

Imo, the new NDS should be finetuned for 'Kunst der Fugue' by Bach.

 

Posted on: 12 June 2018 by dave marshall

We seem to be focusing on live versus recorded performance, but as MINH mentions above, 

"The mere act of recording introduces artificiality and a recording will never sound identical to a live acoustic performance".

I'd further suggest that, other than an purely acoustic performance, ranging in scale from a solo, non amplified voice, to full blown orchestral, then the introduction of a even just a microphone similarly results in artificiality.

Since most live music relies on amplification of some sort, whether it be a simple microphone plus acoustic amp, or a full scale PA system, then the ability to convincingly recreate this "live" feel at home depends as much as anything else on the ability of one's speakers to deliver a sense of scale, whereby one is immersed in the sound, just as at a live performance.

Posted on: 12 June 2018 by Innocent Bystander
Ardbeg10y posted:

If we are searching for the pinnacle of sound, do we agree that Music is needed to reveal this?

If so, what kind of Music? Can we agree that a Fugue is the most perfect form in music?

If so, that Bach is the best composer of Fugues?

Imo, the new NDS should be finetuned for 'Kunst der Fugue' by Bach.

 

You mean, whatever piece one may choose to put on, ND555 will output Bach’s ‘Kunst der Fugue'? That would make its design simpler, as it could be built with that in permanent memory at the highest resolution possible, with no need for any internal connections to its ethernet or SPDIF sockets...

However, unless there is a means of defining the pinnacle of interpretations, it would need to have every available interpretation installed, maybe randomly playing different ones. And to keep it at the pinnacle it would also require a permanent connection to the internet to seek out and download any additional recordings that become available in the future (alternatively they could be installed periodically as firmware upgrades).

Cue Monty Python admonishment about silliness  

Posted on: 12 June 2018 by DrPo
Ardbeg10y posted:

If we are searching for the pinnacle of sound, do we agree that Music is needed to reveal this?

If so, what kind of Music? Can we agree that a Fugue is the most perfect form in music?

If so, that Bach is the best composer of Fugues?

Imo, the new NDS should be finetuned for 'Kunst der Fugue' by Bach.

 

hmm... perhaps Beethoven's Grosse Fuge  Op. 133 for string quartet?

Posted on: 12 June 2018 by Ardbeg10y
DrPo posted:
Ardbeg10y posted:

If we are searching for the pinnacle of sound, do we agree that Music is needed to reveal this?

If so, what kind of Music? Can we agree that a Fugue is the most perfect form in music?

If so, that Bach is the best composer of Fugues?

Imo, the new NDS should be finetuned for 'Kunst der Fugue' by Bach.

 

hmm... perhaps Beethoven's Grosse Fuge  Op. 133 for string quartet?

Last time I met Beethoven was in a narrow alley. I greeted him and he greeted me, immediately followed by some aggressive words. It ended up in a fistfight. Just before I started to win, he avoided tonica and ran away. On safe distance, at the end of the alley just before getting out of sight, he shouted (as always): 'I win!' Needless to say, Beethoven and I never went on well.

Contrary to that, whenever I meet Bach, our conversation always starts simple, but after a few sentences, the most elevated and elaborated constructions are said by him. Conversations with him always have more layers it seems. It is never monotone, since he seem to introduce parallel sections and second themes, a bit but not too much in contrast to our main conversation.

(sorry, I'm doing an extremely boring web based training, which results in this kind of pseudo-nonsense)

Posted on: 12 June 2018 by audio1946

for decades we all said source first ,for me the improvements with be the speaker and the room it is in ..  ..not the extremely very small improvements of the source electronics