"Native" Qobuz
Posted by: jsaudio on 25 June 2018
If Naim wanted to add Qobuz functionality (like current Tidal) to their streamers, could it be done with firmware update?
Almost certainly.
Not sure the old streamers have the memory for it, but the new lot have. Both would need App support too. However, until Qobuz's reach extends beyond it's small European footprint (no sign of the much vaunted US launch yet) I can't see it being a priority for Naim. Sadly.
Plus the new streamers can add Qobuz through Chromecast. Not the same admittedly.
Although the old streamers could almost certainly do this - the development costs for developing new streamer services natively are disproportionate and are only relevant for certain markets. That is why the preferred option for new services is apparently Chromecast and Airplay2 - as the streamer simply becomes a configurable endpoint. For the classic series streamers apps like BubbleUPnP Server work by casting the Naim streamer as a configurable endpoint. I think the future is with separate applications. I know there are some limitations with Chromecast - but Naim might be able to work around them....
Nick Lees posted:Not sure the old streamers have the memory for it, but the new lot have. Both would need App support too. However, until Qobuz's reach extends beyond it's small European footprint (no sign of the much vaunted US launch yet) I can't see it being a priority for Naim. Sadly.
This is probably already posted in another thread (did not see one), but:
"Qobuz Brings World's Premier High-Res Online Music Service to the U.S. at CES 2018"
https://www.prnewswire.com/new...-2018-300577268.html
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:Although the old streamers could almost certainly do this - the development costs for developing new streamer services natively are disproportionate and are only relevant for certain markets. That is why the preferred option for new services is apparently Chromecast and Airplay2 - as the streamer simply becomes a configurable endpoint. For the classic series streamers apps like BubbleUPnP Server work by casting the Naim streamer as a configurable endpoint. I think the future is with separate applications. I know there are some limitations with Chromecast - but Naim might be able to work around them....
Yet the Squeezebox community managed to develop Qobuz functionality for the Squeezebox Touch years ago, free, on a platform that is over a decade old and costs under £200. And the excellent iPeng app lets you control the lot remotely. So it's not difficult if you know what you're doing. afaik neither Chromecast or Airplay2 will support hires Qobuz streaming, so seems to me they are just bodges.
I think, you cannot compare these platforms as they might be completely different.
LMS is a computer program. You have nearly as much memory as you need. it is developed in perl which offers a huge list of custom code moduls that can do many things for you.
The legacy uniti streamers will certainly be very restricted in memory size. I do not know in which language they are programmed. It might be very restricted, too. I guess it even is not linux yet, that makes developing much more comfortable than other embedded systems.
likesmusic posted:Simon-in-Suffolk posted:Although the old streamers could almost certainly do this - the development costs for developing new streamer services natively are disproportionate and are only relevant for certain markets. That is why the preferred option for new services is apparently Chromecast and Airplay2 - as the streamer simply becomes a configurable endpoint. For the classic series streamers apps like BubbleUPnP Server work by casting the Naim streamer as a configurable endpoint. I think the future is with separate applications. I know there are some limitations with Chromecast - but Naim might be able to work around them....
Yet the Squeezebox community managed to develop Qobuz functionality for the Squeezebox Touch years ago, free, on a platform that is over a decade old and costs under £200. And the excellent iPeng app lets you control the lot remotely. So it's not difficult if you know what you're doing. afaik neither Chromecast or Airplay2 will support hires Qobuz streaming, so seems to me they are just bodges.
Well yes, at a functional technical level this is almost trivial... doing it with optimum SQ and minimum processing cross talk bleed is something entirely different. I still have my Squeeze box.. I was playing with it well before I had my Naim streamer... but in terms of digital transport and SQ it is a long way removed from my Naim streamer transport. BubbleUPnP Server appears to support hidef Qobuz... can’t confirm, as my lowly rural broadband speeds make it unviable to try currently. (But Superfast is coming this summer!!!!)
I suspect the Atom/Nova/Core might have had Qobuz support built-in had they not been going through financial difficulties before Xandrie took them over.
likesmusic posted:Simon-in-Suffolk posted:Although the old streamers could almost certainly do this - the development costs for developing new streamer services natively are disproportionate and are only relevant for certain markets. That is why the preferred option for new services is apparently Chromecast and Airplay2 - as the streamer simply becomes a configurable endpoint. For the classic series streamers apps like BubbleUPnP Server work by casting the Naim streamer as a configurable endpoint. I think the future is with separate applications. I know there are some limitations with Chromecast - but Naim might be able to work around them....
afaik neither Chromecast or Airplay2 will support hires Qobuz streaming, so seems to me they are just bodges.
Chromecast does support HD (I think up to 24/96).
Alley Cat posted:I suspect the Atom/Nova/Core might have had Qobuz support built-in had they not been going through financial difficulties before Xandrie took them over.
I think the level of market penetration Qobuz have might have a lot to do with it, especially with Qobuz not being available in the US. Despite that, though, I don't think Naim have the appetite for supporting a constant stream of new web based services. Offering built in support for Spotify and Tidal was a considerable effort, and maintaining that along with support for a growing range of other providers as and when they become popular is easier said than done. They decided, instead, to add Chromecast and Airplay in order to give a reasonably wide range of web streaming options. Time will tell how successful this strategy is, as the new platform is developed further, and runs on the full range of Naim streamers.
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:likesmusic posted:Simon-in-Suffolk posted:Although the old streamers could almost certainly do this - the development costs for developing new streamer services natively are disproportionate and are only relevant for certain markets. That is why the preferred option for new services is apparently Chromecast and Airplay2 - as the streamer simply becomes a configurable endpoint. For the classic series streamers apps like BubbleUPnP Server work by casting the Naim streamer as a configurable endpoint. I think the future is with separate applications. I know there are some limitations with Chromecast - but Naim might be able to work around them....
Yet the Squeezebox community managed to develop Qobuz functionality for the Squeezebox Touch years ago, free, on a platform that is over a decade old and costs under £200. And the excellent iPeng app lets you control the lot remotely. So it's not difficult if you know what you're doing. afaik neither Chromecast or Airplay2 will support hires Qobuz streaming, so seems to me they are just bodges.
Well yes, at a functional technical level this is almost trivial... doing it with optimum SQ and minimum processing cross talk bleed is something entirely different. I still have my Squeeze box.. I was playing with it well before I had my Naim streamer... but in terms of digital transport and SQ it is a long way removed from my Naim streamer transport. BubbleUPnP Server appears to support hidef Qobuz... can’t confirm, as my lowly rural broadband speeds make it unviable to try currently. (But Superfast is coming this summer!!!!)
Qobuz Sublime+ lets you download hi res files into an offline library (without buying them) and play them back locally, so you aren’t necessarily dependent on internet speed.
I’ve been really happy with Qobuz for two or three years .. started with a monthly sub, went yearly and then flipped to Sublime+. Absolutely excellent, and extremely good value. Like you say, changes your listening habits completely.
likesmusic posted:Simon-in-Suffolk posted:likesmusic posted:Simon-in-Suffolk posted:Although the old streamers could almost certainly do this - the development costs for developing new streamer services natively are disproportionate and are only relevant for certain markets. That is why the preferred option for new services is apparently Chromecast and Airplay2 - as the streamer simply becomes a configurable endpoint. For the classic series streamers apps like BubbleUPnP Server work by casting the Naim streamer as a configurable endpoint. I think the future is with separate applications. I know there are some limitations with Chromecast - but Naim might be able to work around them....
Yet the Squeezebox community managed to develop Qobuz functionality for the Squeezebox Touch years ago, free, on a platform that is over a decade old and costs under £200. And the excellent iPeng app lets you control the lot remotely. So it's not difficult if you know what you're doing. afaik neither Chromecast or Airplay2 will support hires Qobuz streaming, so seems to me they are just bodges.
Well yes, at a functional technical level this is almost trivial... doing it with optimum SQ and minimum processing cross talk bleed is something entirely different. I still have my Squeeze box.. I was playing with it well before I had my Naim streamer... but in terms of digital transport and SQ it is a long way removed from my Naim streamer transport. BubbleUPnP Server appears to support hidef Qobuz... can’t confirm, as my lowly rural broadband speeds make it unviable to try currently. (But Superfast is coming this summer!!!!)
Qobuz Sublime+ lets you download hi res files into an offline library (without buying them) and play them back locally, so you aren’t necessarily dependent on internet speed.
I’ve been really happy with Qobuz for two or three years .. started with a monthly sub, went yearly and then flipped to Sublime+. Absolutely excellent, and extremely good value. Like you say, changes your listening habits completely.
Tidal allows you to do this, but only on mobile devices, presumably so that you can access misic while on the move. This doesn’t lend itself to home HiFi use, though. Does Qobuz do this differently? I’ve thought in the past that it might be convenient for some if you could do this on a Naim streamer, perhaps loading files onto USB memory through the streamers port.
ChrisSU posted:likesmusic posted:Simon-in-Suffolk posted:likesmusic posted:Simon-in-Suffolk posted:Although the old streamers could almost certainly do this - the development costs for developing new streamer services natively are disproportionate and are only relevant for certain markets. That is why the preferred option for new services is apparently Chromecast and Airplay2 - as the streamer simply becomes a configurable endpoint. For the classic series streamers apps like BubbleUPnP Server work by casting the Naim streamer as a configurable endpoint. I think the future is with separate applications. I know there are some limitations with Chromecast - but Naim might be able to work around them....
Yet the Squeezebox community managed to develop Qobuz functionality for the Squeezebox Touch years ago, free, on a platform that is over a decade old and costs under £200. And the excellent iPeng app lets you control the lot remotely. So it's not difficult if you know what you're doing. afaik neither Chromecast or Airplay2 will support hires Qobuz streaming, so seems to me they are just bodges.
Well yes, at a functional technical level this is almost trivial... doing it with optimum SQ and minimum processing cross talk bleed is something entirely different. I still have my Squeeze box.. I was playing with it well before I had my Naim streamer... but in terms of digital transport and SQ it is a long way removed from my Naim streamer transport. BubbleUPnP Server appears to support hidef Qobuz... can’t confirm, as my lowly rural broadband speeds make it unviable to try currently. (But Superfast is coming this summer!!!!)
Qobuz Sublime+ lets you download hi res files into an offline library (without buying them) and play them back locally, so you aren’t necessarily dependent on internet speed.
I’ve been really happy with Qobuz for two or three years .. started with a monthly sub, went yearly and then flipped to Sublime+. Absolutely excellent, and extremely good value. Like you say, changes your listening habits completely.
Tidal allows you to do this, but only on mobile devices, presumably so that you can access misic while on the move. This doesn’t lend itself to home HiFi use, though. Does Qobuz do this differently? I’ve thought in the past that it might be convenient for some if you could do this on a Naim streamer, perhaps loading files onto USB memory through the streamers port.
The Qobuz app on a pc or mac lets me download into a local offline library, as does the Qobuz app on my iPhone and iPad - great for plane journeys. Don’t think there is the same option on my Squeezebox Touch (which I don’t use that often anyway). The Qobuz app on pc/mac seems to have a DLNA option which should allow you to send output to any DLNA renderer - this might give you a way of using it with some naim streamers. I mostly use USB out of a small fanless notebook into my DAC which is nice and simple, and tend to use the Qobuz offline library if I want to listen to a long 24/96 or 24/192 work as my internet can very occasionally be a little flakey and I like to be sure of no glitches. The iPad app is great for looking at sleeve notes and librettos.