A bit p**d off

Posted by: al9315 on 18 July 2018

    

Just bought this CD from auction site to rip to NAS. Admittedly it is only the second time it has happened, both discs Blue Note - one brand new, they are marked on the inside edge of the cover "copy protected", but one does not see this before purchase. Do not feel one can return disc, as presumably nothing wrong with it?

Info on disc from Explorer

I would like to get this CD, but looks like it is impossible to copy - or is there a way ?

dbPoweramp just won't have it - comes up with loads of frame errors every track

Thanks for any ideas

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by Finkfan

I’m in a similar situation. I bought a cd that plays fine on any CD player but dbpoweramp doesn’t see the disc at all!! 

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by Richard Dane

You could try EAC. Failing that try a different drive (if you have one).  Failing that, rip in burst mode.

Best solution:  Look for a copy without any copy protection.  Discogs can help here in identifying the different issues.

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by Boris786

Might be worth trying Exact Audio Copy worked for me in smilar situations in the past.

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by TallGuy

If it was sold as a "CD", return it as it's not a CD - auction site or not. Philips made it clear that disks that are deliberatly made unreadable by the manufacturer are NOT CDs and shouldn't be marked, or sold, as such. If you're in the UK this is in breach of the Sales Description Act and perhaps others.

Beofre you do that though here's a post SJBABBEY made a while ago (sorry, don't know how to link to the actual message)

"When I purchased a "Copy controlled" boxset I used the following method to get a secure
audio rip.

I inserted the disc into my CD/DVD drive and used the Read command in ImgBurn (freeware) which produced an AUDIO.BIN (binary) file plus a cue file from the disc. The cue file can be opened in your text editor program e.g. notepad.  You will see there that the copy protected disc contains 2 sessions. Delete the REM SESSION 02 and its INDEX data and save the cue file.

You can then use ImgBurn's "Write" command to burn a new blank CD using the cue file as your source. Once you've done this you should then be able to obtain a secure rip of the copied CD."

Seems worth a go. I haven't tried it myself yet, but sounds easy enough having been playing with cue files when exrtracting hi-res material from blu-rays I own.

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by Guinnless

I used SJABBEY's method to rip some 'protected' CDs and it works perfectly. 

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by hungryhalibut

Al, you have mail - assuming I’ve got the right address!!

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by al9315

Thank you all so much for speedy replies, long live the forum !

I will investigate EAC which I have not heard of before

SWMBO has a few Rod Stewart American Songbook CDs she likes, cannot copy any of them, so will re-investigate options

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by Guinnless
al9315 posted:

SWMBO has a few Rod Stewart American Songbook CDs she likes, cannot copy any of them, so will re-investigate options

Tell her they can't be copied

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by TallGuy
Guinnless posted:
al9315 posted:

SWMBO has a few Rod Stewart American Songbook CDs she likes, cannot copy any of them, so will re-investigate options

Tell her they can't be copied

Harsh, but fair.

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by Harry

I have sent copy protected CDs back to Amazon for refunds. I don't think it would be so easy with all retailers but Amazon seem OK about it. 

I haven't had to do this recently because dBpoweramp seems to win every time, albeit after some effort, and so far as I can tell, copy protected stuff doesn't pop up often. 

Posted on: 18 July 2018 by Simon-in-Suffolk
al9315 posted:

    

Just bought this CD from auction site to rip to NAS. Admittedly it is only the second time it has happened, both discs Blue Note - one brand new, they are marked on the inside edge of the cover "copy protected", but one does not see this before purchase. Do not feel one can return disc, as presumably nothing wrong with it?

Well fortunately if in the UK you are legally covered. 

A copy protected disk that uses a some sort of disc structure alteration is not permitted to carry the Compact Disc Digital Audio logo. Therefore if not carrying the logo you can returns the good as they are not compact compact audio discs and should not have been sold as a compact audio disk. If they contain the logo but are not RedBook, that is they contain copy protection, then it is mis selling, a sales description violation and a case of potentially selling of counterfeit goods and you are entitled to money back and potentially of trading standards interest.

Finally you are protected apparently under the Copyright, Designs and Patent Act 1988.. where the act allows for  "remedy where effective technological measures prevent permitted acts" such as playing your audio via dbpoweramp that is designed for valid compact discs. In practice this again means you are entitled to a refund, or a copy of a valid RedBook version of the disc it it exists.

 

Posted on: 19 July 2018 by al9315

A wealth of knowledge - thank you all very much

I bought the disc for so little, it is not worth the postal cost to return it.

I downloaded  EAC and it has worked perfectly ! - also thank you HH

I will for the interest try the 'SJBABBEY' method at some point

Having purchased a lot of CDs in the last 2-3 years, I have only received two of the offending items, so not too bad

By the way - Lee Morgan - The Gigilo is worth a listen !

 

Posted on: 19 July 2018 by sjbabbey

Fame at last!

https://forums.naimaudio.com/t...42#76328488983271942

Posted on: 19 July 2018 by al9315
sjbabbey posted:

I just tried your method but upon clicking the website in Google - my Norton came up with a red warning - so I think I will just accept my EAC version

Again thanks for all input !

Posted on: 19 July 2018 by sjbabbey

No problem, Al.

I believe that some versions of the Imgburn installer are reported to install the OpenCandy PUP so this is probably what is being picked up by Norton.

I understand that a clean version can be found on the majorgeeks.com site.

Posted on: 19 July 2018 by Guinnless
sjbabbey posted:

No problem, Al.

I believe that some versions of the Imgburn installer are reported to install the OpenCandy PUP so this is probably what is being picked up by Norton.

I understand that a clean version can be found on the majorgeeks.com site.

It took me a couple of tries to locate a "clean" version of Imgburn.

Posted on: 22 July 2018 by gert

My brother had such a problem with a use protected CD recently, too, and said that he managed to read it via a tool called ISOBuster. But I do not know any details.

Posted on: 22 July 2018 by TallGuy

ISOBuster should do the job. It's available in free, personal and "professional" versions, but I think the free version will allow you to do the same as described for imgburn. It's capable of much more than IMGBurn so well worth a play with it.

Posted on: 22 July 2018 by ChrisSU

On the rare occasions I when I’ve got a copy protected CD to rip, I have found that iTunes has no trouble ripping them at all, where other rippers have struggled. I’m not generally an iTunes fan, but for this purpose, it’s the first thing I try.