Asset UPNP

If your own music lives on your PC it must be switched on if you want to play it. Tidal streams over the internet and goes directly to your Naim player without the need for a computer. The answer is to get a NAS to store your music. It’s a sort of mini computer that runs all the time, without the need to have your PC switched on. 

I see.Thank you very much Hungryhalibut.

Fabio, The other option is to initially just use your current computer as a UPnP server while you get the hang of Asset and its quirks. This would buy you time to make sure streaming is for you without additional expense. Then in time, either switch to a NAS or even set up a dedicated music PC / Mac as a UPnP server. This negates the need for a NAS and you can either use the internal storage if sufficient volume, or an external hard drive to hold the music folder accessed by Asset. I use a Mac Mini in this manner as a central music hub with Asset for UPnP and DBPoweramp for ripping CDs. Handy to have these facilities in one place and its proved pretty reliable so far. Whatever you choose, don't forget to budget for external hard drives for NAS or DAS backups!

The guys are right, a NAS is the best way forward. However, I have Asset on my Qnap NAS, and my iMac. My iMac is switched on from about 9am until midnight, loads of time to hear my stored music. 

Just remember to go in to settings on your computer and adjust the shut down time.

Meerkat posted:

The guys are right, a NAS is the best way forward. ...

Why? A NAS typically supports RAID and services tha are not actually needed to serve music files. A low power networked computer like a Raspberry Pi seems a more suitable solution for running a UPnP server.  

Plenty of low spec NAS drives available that work well with a single drive and no RAID.  Just install a media server app and your are running.  I'm sure it's fun setting up a Pi but  a dedicated NAS is easier and most people just want to listen to music.

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Guinnless posted:

Plenty of low spec NAS drives available that work well with a single drive and no RAID.  Just install a media server app and your are running.  I'm sure it's fun setting up a Pi but  a dedicated NAS is easier and most people just want to listen to music.

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I have tried both the Synology and the QNAP live demos and found them much more awkward than just installing MinimServer on a Pi: it takes just a minute and after that one can control MinimServer from any laptop or desktop via MinimWatch. No need to fiddle around with web interfaces and much easier data exchange and backup the Pi than with a NAS. Perhaps it's just the live demos that are clumsy and the real system work better, I do not know. But, if the goal is to run a UPnP server, I do not see the added value of a NAS.

yes another fan of using of a NAS  use Asset on UpNP, have a small QNAP which runs perfectly and then no need to keep PC on

if you press the go button very easy to set up and use, and if not lot's of help on this fourm

So many replies,thank you very much.Yetizone,yes,I will take my time to get some experience in music streaming.NBPF,thank you for your different opinion.

"if you press the go button very easy to set up and use",very interesting Antony D.Thanks everybody.

nbpf posted:

Guinnless posted:

Plenty of low spec NAS drives available that work well with a single drive and no RAID.  Just install a media server app and your are running.  I'm sure it's fun setting up a Pi but  a dedicated NAS is easier and most people just want to listen to music.

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I have tried both the Synology and the QNAP live demos and found them much more awkward than just installing MinimServer on a Pi: it takes just a minute and after that one can control MinimServer from any laptop or desktop via MinimWatch. No need to fiddle around with web interfaces and much easier data exchange and backup the Pi than with a NAS. Perhaps it's just the live demos that are clumsy and the real system work better, I do not know. But, if the goal is to run a UPnP server, I do not see the added value of a NAS.

Surely if this Pi connects to your PC via Ethernet then this is a NAS ?

Guinnless posted:

nbpf posted:

Guinnless posted:

Plenty of low spec NAS drives available that work well with a single drive and no RAID.  Just install a media server app and your are running.  I'm sure it's fun setting up a Pi but  a dedicated NAS is easier and most people just want to listen to music.

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I have tried both the Synology and the QNAP live demos and found them much more awkward than just installing MinimServer on a Pi: it takes just a minute and after that one can control MinimServer from any laptop or desktop via MinimWatch. No need to fiddle around with web interfaces and much easier data exchange and backup the Pi than with a NAS. Perhaps it's just the live demos that are clumsy and the real system work better, I do not know. But, if the goal is to run a UPnP server, I do not see the added value of a NAS.

Surely if this Pi connects to your PC via Ethernet then this is a NAS ?

Yes but with a crucial difference: a NAS will typically have to configured and administrated via a web interface, a Pi can be configured and administrated from the command line. Data exchange from and to a Pi and incremetal backups are also much easier via rsync. In short, you can have full control of a Pi if you wish or need to do so, but you can only have partial control of a NAS. Another big advantage of a Pi over a typical NAS is that its OS is stored on a micro SD card. You can make a full backup in a few minutes by just burning an image of the card. There is nothing wrong with NASes, they are great devices. But, as I wrote, I do not see their added value when it comes to run a UPnP server. One can use them, of course, but I think that there are simpler and more flexible solutions. In the end it is a matter of personal taste and of what one feels comfortable with, of course. But I find it a bit strange that when someone asks how to to run a UPnP server, the advice is almost inevitably that of buying a QNAP or a Synology NAS.

nbpf posted:

Guinnless posted:

Surely if this Pi connects to your PC via Ethernet then this is a NAS ?

Yes but with a crucial difference: a NAS will typically have to configured and administrated via a web interface, a Pi can be configured and administrated from the command line. Data exchange from and to a Pi and incremetal backups are also much easier via rsync. In short, you can have full control of a Pi if you wish or need to do so, but you can only have partial control of a NAS. Another big advantage of a Pi over a typical NAS is that its OS is stored on a micro SD card. You can make a full backup in a few minutes by just burning an image of the card. There is nothing wrong with NASes, they are great devices. But, as I wrote, I do not see their added value when it comes to run a UPnP server. One can use them, of course, but I think that there are simpler and more flexible solutions. In the end it is a matter of personal taste and of what one feels comfortable with, of course. But I find it a bit strange that when someone asks how to to run a UPnP server, the advice is almost inevitably that of buying a QNAP or a Synology NAS.

A web interface is exactly what most non-techie users want and for some even that is too much - have you read the "Dipping toes into the NAS (world) with no clue and getting rid of the CD player" ?  Hence the advice is to get something off the shelf, be it a QNAP, Synology or a even UnitiCore.

Most users want a GUI for setting up backups, not command line work and rsync, crontab and shell scripts etc     This is the Naim forum not stackoverflow.  LOL

nbpf posted:

Guinnless posted:

nbpf posted:

Guinnless posted:

Plenty of low spec NAS drives available that work well with a single drive and no RAID.  Just install a media server app and your are running.  I'm sure it's fun setting up a Pi but  a dedicated NAS is easier and most people just want to listen to music.

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I have tried both the Synology and the QNAP live demos and found them much more awkward than just installing MinimServer on a Pi: it takes just a minute and after that one can control MinimServer from any laptop or desktop via MinimWatch. No need to fiddle around with web interfaces and much easier data exchange and backup the Pi than with a NAS. Perhaps it's just the live demos that are clumsy and the real system work better, I do not know. But, if the goal is to run a UPnP server, I do not see the added value of a NAS.

Surely if this Pi connects to your PC via Ethernet then this is a NAS ?

Yes but with a crucial difference: a NAS will typically have to configured and administrated via a web interface, a Pi can be configured and administrated from the command line. Data exchange from and to a Pi and incremetal backups are also much easier via rsync. In short, you can have full control of a Pi if you wish or need to do so, but you can only have partial control of a NAS. Another big advantage of a Pi over a typical NAS is that its OS is stored on a micro SD card. You can make a full backup in a few minutes by just burning an image of the card. There is nothing wrong with NASes, they are great devices. But, as I wrote, I do not see their added value when it comes to run a UPnP server. One can use them, of course, but I think that there are simpler and more flexible solutions. In the end it is a matter of personal taste and of what one feels comfortable with, of course. But I find it a bit strange that when someone asks how to to run a UPnP server, the advice is almost inevitably that of buying a QNAP or a Synology NAS.

I have a feeling that you are probably an IT professional of some sort? I think you’ll find the majority of people don’t have the faintest clue what the command line is, less still how to use it. 

ChrisSU posted:

nbpf posted:

Guinnless posted:

nbpf posted:

Guinnless posted:

Plenty of low spec NAS drives available that work well with a single drive and no RAID.  Just install a media server app and your are running.  I'm sure it's fun setting up a Pi but  a dedicated NAS is easier and most people just want to listen to music.

????

I have tried both the Synology and the QNAP live demos and found them much more awkward than just installing MinimServer on a Pi: it takes just a minute and after that one can control MinimServer from any laptop or desktop via MinimWatch. No need to fiddle around with web interfaces and much easier data exchange and backup the Pi than with a NAS. Perhaps it's just the live demos that are clumsy and the real system work better, I do not know. But, if the goal is to run a UPnP server, I do not see the added value of a NAS.

Surely if this Pi connects to your PC via Ethernet then this is a NAS ?

Yes but with a crucial difference: a NAS will typically have to configured and administrated via a web interface, a Pi can be configured and administrated from the command line. Data exchange from and to a Pi and incremetal backups are also much easier via rsync. In short, you can have full control of a Pi if you wish or need to do so, but you can only have partial control of a NAS. Another big advantage of a Pi over a typical NAS is that its OS is stored on a micro SD card. You can make a full backup in a few minutes by just burning an image of the card. There is nothing wrong with NASes, they are great devices. But, as I wrote, I do not see their added value when it comes to run a UPnP server. One can use them, of course, but I think that there are simpler and more flexible solutions. In the end it is a matter of personal taste and of what one feels comfortable with, of course. But I find it a bit strange that when someone asks how to to run a UPnP server, the advice is almost inevitably that of buying a QNAP or a Synology NAS.

I have a feeling that you are probably an IT professional of some sort? I think you’ll find the majority of people don’t have the faintest clue what the command line is, less still how to use it. 

No, I am not an IT professional. I just find it easier to install stuff by following detailed step-by-step command line instructions (for instance, those provided for MinimServer) rather than using graphical user interfaces. Of course, there are examples of poor command line instructions and good GUIs. But my experience is that it is usually the other way round. As I said, it is probably just a matter of taste: if you compare the instructions for installing MinimServer on a Synology (http://minimserver.com/install-synology.html) to the instructions for installing MinimServer on a Raspberry Pi (http://minimserver.com/install-raspbian.html), you will see that they are very similar. Anyway, the OP has asked for advice on how to run a UPnP server 24/7 and a Raspberry Pi is a very stable, low cost platform to do so. I have one directly connected to my router and it has been running MinimServer since about three years without a glitch.

I have a ripnas must be 8 yrs old replaced  to 2 x 3 tera and incease in memory  4 years ago . use db power .never had any issue  .asset is great too.dust the box weekly sits on a shelf .forgot ive got it   ..simple