Mozart Edition and Uniti Core

Posted by: MAB252 on 20 August 2018

I have started to rip the new 200 cd Mozart Edition on my Core. Each time I rip the next cd it obliterates the last one resulting in only a single cd being ripped. I do not understand how or why it would just overwrite and I have tried going back to rip an earlier cd again it just overwrites. Does anyone have any ideas other than going back to dppoweramp.

Posted on: 20 August 2018 by ChrisSU

I’ve had a similar issue on my Unitiserve, albeit with a 2 disc set rather than a 200 disc set!! Realistically, I think your best bet is to rip on DPBpoweramp and store in the downloads folder. 

Posted on: 20 August 2018 by DAL

I am having the same issue with certain multi disc sets - whether the Miles Davis Original Columbia Recordings, or even the five CD Vernon Handley box set. The Uniti Core seems capable of only storing two of the five Vernon Handley CDs at any one time. Even when I edit the metadata in order to try to differentiate between individual discs it overwrites the others from the same set. I’m going to rip the three ‘ missing’  CDs to my HDX, but a workaround really shouldn’t be necessary. Good luck with the 200 CD Mozart Edition - rather You than me! 

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by MAB252

The problem seems to be that the Core initially identifies the disc as title 'Orchestral' artist 'Mozart' and the other discs all have the same labels when it first rips. Changing the metadata manually has no effect so when the next disc is inserted it wipes the previous. There seem to be three ways Naim could solve this - use a more sophisticated initial data source, allow the user to edit this initial tag or use a numerical code related to the search as the identification on rip. None of these solutions seems to be rocket science - unfortunately they have not responded to my emails so it is difficult to know if they are interested in the issues of those of us who spend vast amounts of money on a naim system.

Does anyone have any idea how to go about talking to Naim about this?

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by Japtimscarlet

Let's hope they are reading this !

It seems an extremely obvious problem that some people may wish to rip multiple disc sets on their uniticore...and naim should have picked this up at the testing stage...never mind having to come up with a work around

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by Gazza

I had this problem with a King Crimson double cd about a year ago, I reported it and got no response. Last week I got a Bluspec trial double cd....same thing again, the Core identifies the discs as identical And you are correct no amount of manipulating metadata can fool it into not overwriting the discs. My only suggestion would be to ring a Naim and discuss it. To put it into perspective I have 2 double cd,s out of a hundred or so double cd,s that have this problem.

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by David Hendon

Naim know about this and it was in the release notes for the beta of the next Core update as fixed, so hopefully not too long to wait.

best

David

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by TallGuy

I don't have a Core so can only guess at this - I'd suspect that if chaniging the metadata doesn't appear to fix it that there is metadata you either think isn't connected to identifying the disks, or much more likely, there's metadata you're not being shown that would allow you to differentiate between the disks if you were able to change it manually.

As Chrissu suggests it's probably worth ripping a couple of the disks again, but  with dBpoweramp and comparing the metadata with that produced by the Core - can you see differences ? If so, what happens if you edit the fields on the Core to match dBpoweramp ?

Are you able to look at the metadata from a Core rip using dBpoweramp ? That would be another way to see if there's a field you need to change after ripping weach disk, but before ripping the next.

Otherwise, if you can't see an obvious cause and discussing it with Naim doesn't being a  quick solution again do as Chrissu says and rip using dBpoweramp and move to the Core's download folder.

In the end it's the music that matters, not where, or how, it's stored as long as it's accessible for you to play (I know that seems obvious, but it's easy to get so caught up in the "fault" that the reason you're doing it can be lost )

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by Gazza
David Hendon posted:

Naim know about this and it was in the release notes for the beta of the next Core update as fixed, so hopefully not too long to wait.

best

David

Thanks David

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by ChrisSU
TallGuy posted:

I don't have a Core so can only guess at this - I'd suspect that if chaniging the metadata doesn't appear to fix it that there is metadata you either think isn't connected to identifying the disks, or much more likely, there's metadata you're not being shown that would allow you to differentiate between the disks if you were able to change it manually.

As Chrissu suggests it's probably worth ripping a couple of the disks again, but  with dBpoweramp and comparing the metadata with that produced by the Core - can you see differences ? If so, what happens if you edit the fields on the Core to match dBpoweramp ?

Are you able to look at the metadata from a Core rip using dBpoweramp ? That would be another way to see if there's a field you need to change after ripping weach disk, but before ripping the next.

Otherwise, if you can't see an obvious cause and discussing it with Naim doesn't being a  quick solution again do as Chrissu says and rip using dBpoweramp and move to the Core's download folder.

In the end it's the music that matters, not where, or how, it's stored as long as it's accessible for you to play (I know that seems obvious, but it's easy to get so caught up in the "fault" that the reason you're doing it can be lost )

Remember that you should never open a Naim CD rip on your computer and edit it, as this messes up the database. You can copy it to the Downloads folder or another location and edit it there, but do not then return it to the original MQ folder. Until such time as Naim can come up with a fix, simpler, I think, to use a different ripper in the first place. 

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by TallGuy
ChrisSU posted:
TallGuy posted:

I don't have a Core so can only guess at this - I'd suspect that if chaniging the metadata doesn't appear to fix it that there is metadata you either think isn't connected to identifying the disks, or much more likely, there's metadata you're not being shown that would allow you to differentiate between the disks if you were able to change it manually.

As Chrissu suggests it's probably worth ripping a couple of the disks again, but  with dBpoweramp and comparing the metadata with that produced by the Core - can you see differences ? If so, what happens if you edit the fields on the Core to match dBpoweramp ?

Are you able to look at the metadata from a Core rip using dBpoweramp ? That would be another way to see if there's a field you need to change after ripping weach disk, but before ripping the next.

Otherwise, if you can't see an obvious cause and discussing it with Naim doesn't being a  quick solution again do as Chrissu says and rip using dBpoweramp and move to the Core's download folder.

In the end it's the music that matters, not where, or how, it's stored as long as it's accessible for you to play (I know that seems obvious, but it's easy to get so caught up in the "fault" that the reason you're doing it can be lost )

Remember that you should never open a Naim CD rip on your computer and edit it, as this messes up the database. You can copy it to the Downloads folder or another location and edit it there, but do not then return it to the original MQ folder. Until such time as Naim can come up with a fix, simpler, I think, to use a different ripper in the first place. 

Thanks, I was sure there was some sort of limitation - didn't realise it was that severe.

I think it's still a valid (quick) test to copy one or two albums out to Downloads so that you can look at the metadata (but not copy it back ) - you may see what the problem is, even though it looks as though you'll need to wait for a fix - it still feels good to know the cause, even if you can't rectify it and I'm sure there's people who would like to know the cause, not just that it will be fixed at some point... if for no other reason than to complain here about how stupid the Core/app (delete as appropriate) is compared to product X.

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by Allan Milne

 

Is this a Core issue or is it that AMG is no longer used for CD lookup?

 

I have ripped the Mozart collection on my UnitiServ around 2 years ago (I think) and all was well - this was when AMG was being used for the primary metadata lookup.

 

Allan

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by Quads

I might try ripping a disc and backing it up immediately. 

Then remove version from the Cores inner drive? Could they later be brought back?

Discs would not be differentiated as mentioned above.

But 200 discs? I prefer the dBpoweramp option.

 

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by likesmusic

dBpoweramp. And you may want to adjust the tags as you rip so that each disc is a different album - they probably were in the first place - rather than disc 11 of 50 etc. If you have some multi disc works in the set - say an opera - then you could rip these as one album if it suits you. dbPoweramp gives you plenty of options for getting a results that suits you. And given that you have 200 discs I’d bet that it’s a good bit quicker than your Uniticore because a) it is smart and b) it will use all the cores on your pc.

Posted on: 21 August 2018 by David Hendon
Allan Milne posted:

 

Is this a Core issue or is it that AMG is no longer used for CD lookup?

 

I have ripped the Mozart collection on my UnitiServ around 2 years ago (I think) and all was well - this was when AMG was being used for the primary metadata lookup.

 

Allan

It is a Core issue, but also the AMG service has shut down so it's not available to anyone now -Core or US/HDX

best

David

Posted on: 30 October 2018 by MAB252

The 2.5.1 Firmware update has solved the problem.

Posted on: 30 October 2018 by No quarter
MAB252 posted:

The 2.5.1 Firmware update has solved the problem.

Does that mean there is an update available for the Core?

Posted on: 30 October 2018 by David Hendon

Yes. It was announced by Naim a couple of weeks ago on their website (but not for some reason on the forum)..

best

David

Posted on: 30 October 2018 by Mike Sullivan

Yes, I noticed a little download icon showing next to the Core on the rooms page of the App, which was a nice surprise and an easy way to notice that an update was available.

Posted on: 30 October 2018 by No quarter

I will have a look when I get home from work,thanks.

Posted on: 31 October 2018 by David Hendon

If you don't see the download icon that Mike refers to, you can also use the updates check in the settings menu and if you still don't see it, then power cycle your Core and that will probably flush it out.

The announcement on the website includes the release notes with the bug fixes. 

best

David

Posted on: 31 October 2018 by No quarter

I found it no problem,just finished the update with no problems David.It appears that the Core is now rescanning all my albums,and might be adding some.Is it possible that it is now seeing more albums that might have a similar name,or were in a box set?

Posted on: 31 October 2018 by David Hendon

I doubt that because if two parts of an album are regarded by the old firmware as the same, my understanding was that the second rip just over-wrote the first, so only one existed on the hard disc. Anyway time will tell you!

best

David

Posted on: 31 October 2018 by Gazza

Yes David that is what I found in practice on a couple of double albums.....each cd overwrites the other due to the Core identifying them as identical. You could play each cd rip separately and they were different, but the Core saw them as identical and over wrote.

Posted on: 31 October 2018 by No quarter

Yes you are right David,same number of albums as before the update.