Superline/HCDR vs. Superline/SC - Dr'ing the SC??

ANOIB

supercap over a Hicap DR every time and if you get the black series the DR option is always available which will bring more realism and refinement, having gone from supercap to DR on both superline and snaxo it’s a very worthwhile upgrade 

lyndon

In my experience I found the Superline with a Supercap to be a really significant upgrade to that of a Hicap.

I then had my Supercap DR’d and I was even more pleased with the results with my Superline. So much so that I believe the Superline still has hidden potential if only Naim has the inclining and investment to pursue it!

Richard

Another vote for Supercap DR on a Superline.

I love the above so much, that my 282 runs with a HiCapDr

I would have to agree with Adam

source first principle, the phono stage being more important than the pre amp as it is dealing with a more delicate signal 

which is why I’m now looking to move up from a superline given the relative price imbalance between a 552DR and a superline S/cap DR

lyndon

lyndon posted:

 

which is why I’m now looking to move up from a superline given the relative price imbalance between a 552DR and a superline S/cap DR

lyndon

 

Which phonostage are you considering now?

Adam

im considering the Tom Evans Master Groove SR

but also looking at alternatives, the bottom line is whatever I get must work well with the Naim amps

lyndon

Thank you for answering! I am a bit surprised that my SC does not convince.. Could it only be the age and the non-dr status?

Andib posted:

Thank you for answering! I am a bit surprised that my SC does not convince.. Could it only be the age and the non-dr status?

How is it connected? With the special Burndy?

Yes, with the snaxo/S-line-Burndy. But pre-loved and I'm not sure that that is not the problem..

Although I am not a Superline user, I have to say that I was very impressed by what the Supercap DR achieved - over and above a non-DR Supercap.

I tried a Superline with my serviced, olive supercap and it sounded very good when listened to in isolation.

Then I plugged in a supercap DR.

It was laugh out loud better.  The audition stopped at that point because I just wanted to hear how good album after album could sound with the Superline/SCDR.  That's always a god sign that something is working brilliantly.

If you want a world class phono stage, then a SL/SCDR is a great benchmark.  Last time I switched phono stages, I tried many "world beating, miles better than anything by Naim or Linn, 5 star rated" phono stages.  It's a minefield out there. 

At this level, it seems that you need to audition the combination of cartridge & phono stage as a pair, as even great stages don't bring out the best of every phono stage.  For example, The Trilogy 907 works beautifully with Kiseki cartridges but isn't quite right with my Dynavector, others swear by Ortofon + Whest (not my taste though).

Hope this helps, FT

Perhaps the Burndy needs a massage.

How does it sound if you swap the DR from the 252 to the SL, do you still prefer the hicap?

Then the SL sounds better but I still prefer the HCDR. I think the DR-Symbiosis is here the effect. So dr‘ing the SC makes sense. I will try it when servicing the Superline. Thank you all for helping!

Regards,

AndiB

Another vote for the Superline with DR Supercap. It makes no scientific sense (that I can see), but the RFI sensitivity of my Superline  seemed much improved when I had the Supercap upgraded (swapped actually) to a DR version.

The Superline is however, hugely sensitive to the correct cartridge loading, and in my experience this makes as much difference as the power supply. It is really just a measure of the fantastic resolution possible from the Superline.

I seem to remember the SL versions of the Lyras were prefered with the standard superline. Kuma of this parish was involved in a lot of them if you want to search, add Kleos SL to narrow it down perhaps.

Yes, IIRC the SL Lyras came about through a request from Chris Koster of NANA for a lower output cartridge to best match the Naim Prefix and then subsequent Superline. 

For Standard Lyras the slightly lower gain Superline "E" is likely the better choice.

The Lyra Kleos SL is a lovely cartridge - using an Aro I prefer it to the Linn Kandid. Couple that with a Superline / Supercap DR and it would be bliss  

I mentioned it because the OP lists a standard Lyra Delos in his profile.