Herbies Audio Lab Cone/Spike decoupling glider

I too am interested in the Gliders but as an alternative to spikes I suppose I would need the giant ones for my quite large speakers.

I tried these after reading Skip’s recommendations. They worked rather well under the spikes of ProAc D20r - not perfect, but pretty good for £180 (import duty hurts!). Unfortunately when I upgraded last year to ProAc K6’s the Herbie’s turned out to be fairly ineffective (as were IsoAccoustics Gaia’s and a couple of other medium priced isolators), hence why I’ve ended up with Stillpoints Ultra SS (which totally replace spikes). The effect on sound, particularly boomy bass, is nothing short of miraculous, with the bonus of being able to slide heavy speakers across wooden floor with little effort.

davidf posted:

anybody use these under their loudspeakers?   My Focal 1038 be sit on hardwood floor over cement slab. They are spiked and the spikes sit on Fraim Chips. The Focal`s are quite rigid.  Very difficult to move around. 

Was reading up on the Gliders and thought if I put them under my spikes it would be easy to slide speakers around and can experiment with different speaker locations in my very large room.  Besides ease of movement some reviews suggest when the gliders are placed under the spikes they decouple the speakers from the floor and can improve the sound.  They are pretty cheap so I am tempted to try them.   Just curious if anyone has any experience with them or even with the Giant ones

david

I have a suspended hardwood floor over a crawl space below and plaster walls.   The Gliders work for me to eliminate feedback into the turntable across the room and they stop the boom associated with the bottom firing ProAc woofer.  I removed the spikes completely and just use one Fat Glider per corner, eight per speaker pair.   You might want to try removing the spikes for a more stable setup.   They also facilitate sliding the speaker around to tweak the position.

don't want to remove spikes at my floor not perfectly level and I need to adjust the height with spikes

david

Soundcare Superspikes could be an option.

Same principle as a spike and decoupling glider but is a one pieced item.  Also threaded so you can easily adjust for levelling.  Reasonably inexpensive at £35/40 for a set of four.

I purchased eight of the dbNeutralizer 1” round pads from Herbie’s and put them under the existing cheap cones and spikes on my Rega RX3’s. They won’t slide (I don’t need that) but definitely transformed the sound for the better. And the speakers feel rock solid in place, a good thing with kids around. 

Those Focal 1038 speakers would be better at least with something like the Ceraball universals.

Not quite as expensive as some of the others. These really are great and I have never had any issues with them under my speakers.  Easy to move speakers about. Looks so much more discrete than a spike and disc

TOBYJUG posted:

Those Focal 1038 speakers would be better at least with something like the Ceraball universals.

Not quite as expensive as some of the others. These really are great and I have never had any issues with them under my speakers.  Easy to move speakers about. Looks so much more discrete than a spike and disc

any effect on sound? better or worse?

david

davidf posted:

any effect on sound? better or worse?

david

definitely better. Has an overall broad effect on tidying up sound without highlighting one aspect over another on mine. Music seems to occupy its intended space more. 

Bought Herbie’s sliders to use under Ovator 400s in 2010.  Worked great on my wood floor, allowing me to try lots of different speaker positions.

Hook posted:

Bought Herbie’s sliders to use under Ovator 400s in 2010.  Worked great on my wood floor, allowing me to try lots of different speaker positions.

hook, any benefit or detriment to sound?  As I had mentioned, I have my spikes sitting on Chips.  If the Herbie things don't have a negative effect on sound, then I would get them so that I can play around with movement and different positions

Why do you want to play around with different positions ?

I've tried a few things, posh spikes on carpet, granite, concrete. Wooden boards with rubber pods. Relatively cheap isolators with modifications etc.   Most times something was good at something but not everything.  Some albums would sound great and others not so, with me itching to get up playing around with positioning.

Since putting in those Ceraball universals my speakers have stayed put for a good while now without recourse to nervous doubt about whether I need to tweak its position for a particular album. 

davidf posted:

Hook posted:

Bought Herbie’s sliders to use under Ovator 400s in 2010.  Worked great on my wood floor, allowing me to try lots of different speaker positions.

hook, any benefit or detriment to sound?  As I had mentioned, I have my spikes sitting on Chips.  If the Herbie things don't have a negative effect on sound, then I would get them so that I can play around with movement and different positions

No negative effects that I could hear with the 400s.  Keep in mind that the 400s have a built-in leaf-spring suspension system, so perhaps that helped mask differences.

Once I reached my final speaker position, I substituted some solid steel floor protectors I had previously used under heavy Sound Anchor stands.  Could not hear any difference, so swapped back to Herbie's.

I put the small gliders under some Thiels I moved down to France but I also had the speakers on their sides to fit the outriggers. The result was piercingly bright piano, I d had the speakers without cones sat on cloths to protect the tiled floor when I first set them up and no piercing brightness.  On our next visit a couple of month later the brightness had completely gone, I’d assumed the gliders took a while to settle but no one else has mentioned any change in sound after initially fitting them.

Ansuz darkz does the same thing, for speakers that needs or is supplied with spikes. This works well and seems to have no negative effects only positive effects, on the audiovector speakers I have heard it used on.

Claus