The benefits of being a dinosaur

Posted by: MDS on 15 September 2018

I’ve yet to be persuaded to switch my primary listening from CD to streaming. The prospect of all that ripping and the ethernet cables, switches, routers, software and apps stuff. Well, never say, never, but for the time being for my primary source I’m sticking with the simplicity and reliability of what I know: CD.  I admit it. I’m a dinosaur.  

I’ve been enjoying for some years a great performance from my four-box CD set up: CDX2.2/XP5XS/nDac/555PSDR. I even tried a Uniti/NDS/555PSDR against my set-up in the dealer’s one day and still preferred my CD set-up so I haven’t felt I’ve been slumming it. Nonetheless, I’ve been following the ND555 discussions with interest and watched as quite a few members have taken the plunge. Trade-ins to be had, mostly NDSs, it seems. And then recently while chatting to my dealer he mentioned that a pre-loved CD555 head unit was due to be traded-in.  Did I want to try it at home in my system? Well, I had never even seen a CD555 let alone heard one so on curiosity grounds alone I jumped at the chance. 

The CD555 head unit was installed earlier this week. I think it took me about 36 hours to decide it was staying.  Now I’m sure that the merits and sonic characteristics of the CD555 have been done to death on here so I’m not going to try to describe all that but if members who are all-too-familiar with the CD555 would indulge me I’d like to give a few impressions.

First were about the machine itself. This is not another familiar ‘black box’. What an impressive beast! Weightier and bigger than I had expected. And the engineering - wow!  The silence and grace as the lid rises and closes: just beautiful.  Even without listening to it, it was obvious that this is a top-end piece of kit. You can see and feel why the thing cost so much. I think I was half-sold before it was even powered up.

When switched on, right from cold the extra detail from the CD555 was immediately obvious. But it’s there is a more subtle way than I was expecting, not pushed at you, so perhaps a little more laid back than my current set-up.  Once it was properly warmed-up and I had gotten used to it I confirmed in my mind a characteristic that I hadn’t expected. All of my CD set-ups since the mid-eighties have had that digital ‘signature’, especially at the top end. The CD555 is the first I’ve heard where the top-end signature doesn’t feel so obviously ‘digital’. Coupled to this, the music seems to have a pleasing ‘bounce’ that I normally associate with top-flight vinyl (I’m familiar with what a top-flight LP12 can do). In other words I suppose I’m saying that I think the CD555 has something analogue about its nature. A surprise to my ears.

Anyway, here I am having secured a very nice up-lift in my system’s performance, a wonderful piece of engineering, and all for a very nice price. So this particular dinosaur currently has a big smile on his face. 

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by nigelb

So Mike you have benefitted indirectly from the advent of streaming and the launch of the ND555. You also now have a system (source) that is on par with the top streaming system for a fraction of the price.

Nice one.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by MDS

I have indeed, Nigel. I'm grateful to Naim for releasing the ND555 which has made this purchase possible.  Very much cheaper than the ND555 route, too.   

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by gary yeowell

You are not alone in being a very contented CD user. Enjoy the CD555!

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by MDS

Thank you, Gary.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by Gazza

Nice one..enjoy

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by kevin J Carden
MDS posted:

I have indeed, Nigel. I'm grateful to Naim for releasing the ND555 which has made this purchase possible.  Very much cheaper than the ND555 route, too.   

A great result Mike. Enjoy it. I’ve never heard a CD555, but have to admit I’m curious. I know that Naim’s quietly held view is that the NDS didn’t beat it on SQ. if I see one second hand somewhere I think I may just have to give it an audition.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by MDS
Alba1320 posted:

Lovely tale, MDS; I think that's what some would call 'a result'!

Enjoy, and FWIW, I agree 100% with your 'antipathy' towards streaming, so I guess that makes me a dinosaur too!

It's nice to know I'm not the only one.  

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by Christopher_M

A great story well told, Mike. Thank you.

Best, C.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by MDS
kevin J Carden posted:
MDS posted:

I have indeed, Nigel. I'm grateful to Naim for releasing the ND555 which has made this purchase possible.  Very much cheaper than the ND555 route, too.   

A great result Mike. Enjoy it. I’ve never heard a CD555, but have to admit I’m curious. I know that Naim’s quietly held view is that the NDS didn’t beat it on SQ. if I see one second hand somewhere I think I may just have to give it an audition.

It certainly helps if you've already got a 555PS, Kevin. 

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by Finkfan

The CD555 looks an impressive price of kit. Enjoy! I’m still enjoying my 555 powered CDX2.1.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by nbpf
MDS posted:

I’ve yet to be persuaded to switch my primary listening from CD to streaming. The prospect of all that ripping and the ethernet cables, switches, routers, software and apps stuff. Well, never say, never, but for the time being for my primary source I’m sticking with the simplicity and reliability of what I know: CD.  I admit it. I’m a dinosaur.  

I’ve been enjoying for some years a great performance from my four-box CD set up: CDX2.2/XP5XS/nDac/555PSDR. I even tried a Uniti/NDS/555PSDR against my set-up in the dealer’s one day and still preferred my CD set-up so I haven’t felt I’ve been slumming it. Nonetheless, I’ve been following the ND555 discussions with interest and watched as quite a few members have taken the plunge. Trade-ins to be had, mostly NDSs, it seems. And then recently while chatting to my dealer he mentioned that a pre-loved CD555 head unit was due to be traded-in.  Did I want to try it at home in my system? Well, I had never even seen a CD555 let alone heard one so on curiosity grounds alone I jumped at the chance. 

The CD555 head unit was installed earlier this week. I think it took me about 36 hours to decide it was staying.  Now I’m sure that the merits and sonic characteristics of the CD555 have been done to death on here so I’m not going to try to describe all that but if members who are all-too-familiar with the CD555 would indulge me I’d like to give a few impressions.

First were about the machine itself. This is not another familiar ‘black box’. What an impressive beast! Weightier and bigger than I had expected. And the engineering - wow!  The silence and grace as the lid rises and closes: just beautiful.  Even without listening to it, it was obvious that this is a top-end piece of kit. You can see and feel why the thing cost so much. I think I was half-sold before it was even powered up.

When switched on, right from cold the extra detail from the CD555 was immediately obvious. But it’s there is a more subtle way than I was expecting, not pushed at you, so perhaps a little more laid back than my current set-up.  Once it was properly warmed-up and I had gotten used to it I confirmed in my mind a characteristic that I hadn’t expected. All of my CD set-ups since the mid-eighties have had that digital ‘signature’, especially at the top end. The CD555 is the first I’ve heard where the top-end signature doesn’t feel so obviously ‘digital’. Coupled to this, the music seems to have a pleasing ‘bounce’ that I normally associate with top-flight vinyl (I’m familiar with what a top-flight LP12 can do). In other words I suppose I’m saying that I think the CD555 has something analogue about its nature. A surprise to my ears.

Anyway, here I am having secured a very nice up-lift in my system’s performance, a wonderful piece of engineering, and all for a very nice price. So this particular dinosaur currently has a big smile on his face. 

Well done, congratulations! There is absolutely nothing wrong in being a dinosaur and, in spite of what it is often suggested, a lot of manual work still needs to be done in order to obtain a collection of files that are well tagged and that can be searched and browsed in a meaningful way. This is particularly true for classical music and many so-called turnkey system still do not even offer the possibility of opening the booklets of an album on the control points. Also, streaming approaches tend to increase complexity and the number of boxes which is not aesthetically appealing, in my view. I also very much sympathize with the idea of buying into a technology that others are discarding. Last year I have bought my first (and probably last) blu-ray player and since Oppo has announced that they will stop manufacturing new blu-ray players, I'm also feeling a little bit like a dinosaur. A very good feeling indeed. Have fun with the CD555, I wish it will last for many years to come!

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by wenger2015

Very pleased for you, it is an exceptional black box, i expect once fully bedded in, it will no doubt improve some more.

keep us posted.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by MDS
wenger2015 posted:

Very pleased for you, it is an exceptional black box, i expect once fully bedded in, it will no doubt improve some more.

keep us posted.

Thanks, wenger2015. Being a trade-in it is certainly run in but does seem to benefit from a full warm-up, and today my dealer did a full-rack rebuild to so I suspect there is a bit of settled-down to be done.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by ChrisH

It has always looked an amazing, other worldly, piece of kit [@mention:12970396060785205] . I’m sure it is absolutely fantastic, and will give you many years of enjoyment. Great story too. Have fun!

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by wenger2015
MDS posted:
wenger2015 posted:

Very pleased for you, it is an exceptional black box, i expect once fully bedded in, it will no doubt improve some more.

keep us posted.

Thanks, wenger2015. Being a trade-in it is certainly run in but does seem to benefit from a full warm-up, and today my dealer did a full-rack rebuild to so I suspect there is a bit of settled-down to be done.

I have just recently purchased a pre-loved 555ps, which is warming up nicely and although impressive from the off, has continued to get better and better... 

I may well be on the look out for a Cd555 myself...

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by MDS
wenger2015 posted:
MDS posted:
wenger2015 posted:

Very pleased for you, it is an exceptional black box, i expect once fully bedded in, it will no doubt improve some more.

keep us posted.

Thanks, wenger2015. Being a trade-in it is certainly run in but does seem to benefit from a full warm-up, and today my dealer did a full-rack rebuild to so I suspect there is a bit of settled-down to be done.

I have just recently purchased a pre-loved 555ps, which is warming up nicely and although impressive from the off, has continued to get better and better... 

I may well be on the look out for a Cd555 myself...

ideal time at the moment. The advantage of CD: insert disc, apply puck, close door, press 'play'. Simples!  And I find it works every time. 

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by TK421

Doesn't that involve getting out of your chair/sofa?

Way too much hassle.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by Finkfan

It’s only once every hour though 

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by TK421

You mean you listen to albums from start to finish with not a single track skipped.

I'm impressed. Although I don't believe it.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by Finkfan

Of course! When it sounds this good, why wouldn’t you 

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by HiFiman


Brilliant what an excellent outcome MDS all this talk of the ND555 then the CD555 slips in as the ultimate bargain and with your existing kit as trade in it probably cost nothing to do.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by Bob the Builder

I have never thought of the jump from CD to streaming in these terms because I got into streaming as an alternative to my records not as a replacement and if it did involve me getting rid of all of my records and my record deck it wouldn't have happened.

I bet that CD555 sounds totally brilliant MDS.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by yeti42
TK421 posted:

You mean you listen to albums from start to finish with not a single track skipped.

I'm impressed. Although I don't believe it.

The further I’ve gone up the Naim (and vinyl) ladder the less filler tracks there are on the albums I have, hardly any remain now.

My primary motivation for getting a Core and streamer was to reduce the box count in my living room, CD boxes that is, to make space for more vinyl. Turns out the streaming solution isn’t too much of a compromise musically but some of the rips are harder to find than the CDs ever were.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by Happy Listener

Another dinosaur here albeit with thoughts on evolving to the dark side but I'm held back by the thinking that 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' and my CD555 certainly isn't 'broken' (in the way the word is often used around these parts), plus the cost to move to an equivalent/better-quality replay system (not an NDS IMV) is not insignificant when all the sundries are added in e.g. I don't have a 'pad' (or anything made by Apple) and hard-wiring in my house is tricky for various reasons.

Also, while I recognise the convenience of streaming and network replay, and managing/cleaning/storing a collection of vinyl together with a swathe of CDs is onerous as to wall-space and growing storage arrangements (thank you Ikea), I remain attached to the aspect of the 'physical'. 

On the downside, when I re-build my Fraim I often curse about the weight of the CD555 head unit and stiff/stuck burndies. It's definitely a case needing to plan where to rest it off-Fraim at ~the same height before de-construction - the knocking sounds from the suspension when shuffling only a few paces give me the quivers.

Posted on: 15 September 2018 by nbpf
yeti42 posted:
TK421 posted:

You mean you listen to albums from start to finish with not a single track skipped.

I'm impressed. Although I don't believe it.

... Turns out the streaming solution isn’t too much of a compromise musically but some of the rips are harder to find than the CDs ever were.

In this case you should perhaps revise your tagging scheme or your UPnP server. MinimServer supports custom indexes and what they call "intelligent browsing". You can tag your files the way you want and you are not presented with irrelevant information. I typically search my collection after

Composer > Work > Album

or perhaps

Period > Composer > Work > Album,

Form > Composer > Work > Album

or sometimes (for non-classical music)

Ensemble > Album

or, more rarely, just

Artist > Album

and I can find what I am looking for in a breeze. If not, it is typically because a track or an album is not properly tagged which I can immediately correct.

I do not know your attitude towards tagging but I have realized that many of us tend to consider the proper tagging of musical data a rather boring task that should ideally be left to a machine. As a consequence, many music collections are poorly tagged and/or poorely organized.  

I have a very different attitude. I have really learned a lot about classical music by tagging my music collection, e.g., about musical forms and their evolution, less known works, relationships between composers, connections between specific composers and works and history, philosophy, literature, etc. Tagging a new album is (almost) always a pleasure and an opportunity to learn something new.

If you want to learn how to organize a music collection, the MinimServer documentation and the MinimForum are good starting points, in my view. By the way, MinimServer also supports displaying album booklets provided that these are available. This makes the experience of selecting an Album and to replay its music very similar to the experience of selecting a material CDs. As a bonus one does not have to fiddle around to get the booklet out of the CD sleeve and. most importantly, to put it back!