Qobuz non native what am I missing

It is very cheap and easy to upgrade the memory on a QNAP - around £30 and 15 minutes to go from 2 gig to 8 gig.

Mines already maxed out at 8gb. It's always got half left to and I am running a number of other services, minimerver, Plex, docker and a VM and it's smooth as silk. Bubble seems to be just a bit rubbish. 

SimonPeterArnold posted:

Mines already maxed out at 8gb. It's always got half left to and I am running a number of other services, minimerver, Plex, docker and a VM and it's smooth as silk. Bubble seems to be just a bit rubbish. 

I’m no IT expert but it seems to me that the issue here may be the level of usage of the NAS. I use a very small 1 bay QNAP NAS for BuubleUPNP but the only thing it is used for otherwise is as back up to my Unitiserve and nothing else, I do have Minimserver as a reserve if I need it but it has never been used.

in my experience BubbleUPNP with LUMIN sounds superb and I struggle to tell the difference between streamed  Qobuz Hi-Res when compared with downloads I own. It is certainly not a bit rubbish unlike Chromecast which I find to be awful.

SimonPeterArnold posted:

Mines already maxed out at 8gb. It's always got half left to and I am running a number of other services, minimerver, Plex, docker and a VM and it's smooth as silk. Bubble seems to be just a bit rubbish. 

Nope not 'just a bit rubbish' for me. Bubble UPNP server BubbleDS / Minim server working very nicely with Synology218Play.

My findings so far (along with my missus) are that Tidal via Bubble (transcoding to WAV as I prefer WAV) is pretty much exactly the same as ripped CDs. It's noticeably better that straight Tidal through the Naim App.   This is good news and has been well worth the effort.

Qobuz so far I've found has been a bit of a disappointment despite my expectations being high - I'm on Studio Trial - so have been able to sample some Hires material but overall it sounds a bit "thin" and uninvolving; detailed though.  I've just moved Bubble from where it was running on an old Windows 10 laptop to a RasPi3+ with the latest ffmpeg installed so I'll have another listen over the next few days.

Guinnless posted:

My findings so far (along with my missus) are that Tidal via Bubble (transcoding to WAV as I prefer WAV) is pretty much exactly the same as ripped CDs. It's noticeably better that straight Tidal through the Naim App.   This is good news and has been well worth the effort.

Pretty much my experience too with Qobuz - though with Tidal I did seem to run into bad masters - almost if they had been poorly normalised - not had this once with Qobuz. I have let my Tidal subscription go now

Well I gave transcoding Qobuz a try. I used ffmpeg thing from

https://www.reddit.com/r/synol...g_for_ds218play_dts/. I have Synology DS218 Play NAS.

Might be a coincidence but soon after BubbleUPNP failed lost all settings - I could not set to transcoe on any case. Uninstalled ffmpeg and it came back.

Also had problems playing anything inc radio from any app this afternoon.

Funny business this wireless stuff. I think I will leave well alone now.

Boris786 posted:

Well I gave transcoding Qobuz a try. I used ffmpeg thing from

https://www.reddit.com/r/synol...g_for_ds218play_dts/. I have Synology DS218 Play NAS.

Might be a coincidence but soon after BubbleUPNP failed lost all settings - I could not set to transcoe on any case. Uninstalled ffmpeg and it came back.

Also had problems playing anything inc radio from any app this afternoon.

Funny business this wireless stuff. I think I will leave well alone now.

Well your NAS should have the capacity to run it all that mine (QNAP TS128A) didn't hence for testing purposes I resorted to an old Windows laptop; this gave really promising results and I bought a Raspberry Pi to run Bubble on.  My QNAP retains Asset duties and the RasPi is like my "uplift" server.  As per my previous post I found Tidal via Bubble is now pretty much CD quality.

Guinnless posted:

Boris786 posted:

Well I gave transcoding Qobuz a try. I used ffmpeg thing from

https://www.reddit.com/r/synol...g_for_ds218play_dts/. I have Synology DS218 Play NAS.

Might be a coincidence but soon after BubbleUPNP failed lost all settings - I could not set to transcoe on any case. Uninstalled ffmpeg and it came back.

Also had problems playing anything inc radio from any app this afternoon.

Funny business this wireless stuff. I think I will leave well alone now.

Well your NAS should have the capacity to run it all that mine (QNAP TS128A) didn't hence for testing purposes I resorted to an old Windows laptop; this gave really promising results and I bought a Raspberry Pi to run Bubble on.  My QNAP retains Asset duties and the RasPi is like my "uplift" server.  As per my previous post I found Tidal via Bubble is now pretty much CD quality.

I do not think it is a capacity issue with my NAS rather that the processor (ARM8) is not 'supported' by ffmpeg.

I think the issue with BubbleUPNP might not have been to do with ffmpeg. I do not know what was/is going on with my Nova. At one point yesterday it was not responding to RC commands.

With programmes like ffmpeg.. it’s not a case of ‘supporting’ processors, one normally needs, and especially with Unix,  to compile and link the code (which is how software works for specific processors and OS) so as to create the application (there are resources on the web for this for beginners). You will need the compiling tools and base libraries for your NAS Operating System if nobody has done this already. BubbleSoft needs a comprehensive and uptodate version of ffmpeg, so I simply compiled and linked a new version of it on my RaspberryPi.... a pre linked  downloaded version I had used previously for MinimStreamer did not work.. Oh yes ensure you have a LAME installed before you link the ffmpeg libraries.. this seems to be a prerequisite even though you are unlikely to use it.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

With programmes like ffmpeg.. it’s not a case of ‘supporting’ processors, one normally needs, and especially with Unix,  to compile and link the code (which is how software works for specific processors and OS) so as to create the application (there are resources on the web for this for beginners). You will need the compiling tools and base libraries for your NAS Operating System if nobody has done this already. BubbleSoft needs a comprehensive version of ffmpeg, so I simply compiled and linked a new version of it on my RaspberryPi.... a version I had used previously for MinimStreamer was not suitable. Oh yes ensure you have a LAME installed before you link the ffmpeg libraries.. this seems to be a prerequisite even though you are unlikely to use it.

Thanks simon. Yes what I meant is there is not a comprehensive version of ffmpeg for Bubblesoft for my NAS. I am not embarking on buidling this at present at least until my Nova has settled down. I also have an understanding issue around the fact that reddiit focuses on the processor issue alone - this suggests I might not have sufficient grasp of this to proceed. One for later and maybe a PM rather than a forum discussion. I will be having an enforced and lengthy break from work in a few weeks which mght be a good time to have a look at this.