How should i place my Naim gear in my new Fraim?

DPh posted:

ken c posted:

I have 17 glass shelves. theoretically, to thoroughly test the 'one side sounds better' then I will need to test 2^17 combinations, i.e. 131,072!!!

when Andy @ Signals re-set my fraims, he seemed to find it quite easy to determine which side resonated better -- had a deeper 'ding' -- and I just accepted that known 'wisdom' -- and the system doesn't sound bad for that. 

I take the view that if it doesn't make any difference, then such tuning cannot therefore make the sound bad. But if there is a chance that there is something in this, then I benefit anyhow. So, win either way...

enjoy/ken

What side should the deep bing be at? the side Where the component is placed?

yes... 

I actually thought all the Mana madness would end with the Fraim -- but oh no! I have even heard folks talking about having multiple fraim bases, apparently to good effect. I am not going there !!!

enjoy/ken

ken c posted:

DPh posted:

ken c posted:

I have 17 glass shelves. theoretically, to thoroughly test the 'one side sounds better' then I will need to test 2^17 combinations, i.e. 131,072!!!

when Andy @ Signals re-set my fraims, he seemed to find it quite easy to determine which side resonated better -- had a deeper 'ding' -- and I just accepted that known 'wisdom' -- and the system doesn't sound bad for that. 

I take the view that if it doesn't make any difference, then such tuning cannot therefore make the sound bad. But if there is a chance that there is something in this, then I benefit anyhow. So, win either way...

enjoy/ken

What side should the deep bing be at? the side Where the component is placed?

yes... 

I actually thought all the Mana madness would end with the Fraim -- but oh no! I have even heard folks talking about having multiple fraim bases, apparently to good effect. I am not going there !!!

enjoy/ken

I imagine 17 fraim bases on the floor.   Audiophilia can touch the ridiculous sometimes.

Fraim is a code word for “Mana for dummies” ????

French Rooster posted:

ken c posted:

DPh posted:

ken c posted:

I have 17 glass shelves. theoretically, to thoroughly test the 'one side sounds better' then I will need to test 2^17 combinations, i.e. 131,072!!!

when Andy @ Signals re-set my fraims, he seemed to find it quite easy to determine which side resonated better -- had a deeper 'ding' -- and I just accepted that known 'wisdom' -- and the system doesn't sound bad for that. 

I take the view that if it doesn't make any difference, then such tuning cannot therefore make the sound bad. But if there is a chance that there is something in this, then I benefit anyhow. So, win either way...

enjoy/ken

What side should the deep bing be at? the side Where the component is placed?

yes... 

I actually thought all the Mana madness would end with the Fraim -- but oh no! I have even heard folks talking about having multiple fraim bases, apparently to good effect. I am not going there !!!

enjoy/ken

I imagine 17 fraim bases on the floor.   Audiophilia can touch the ridiculous sometimes.

Imagine spending £125,000 on audio boxes.

what’s ridiculous?

Sounsfaber posted:

French Rooster posted:

ken c posted:

DPh posted:

ken c posted:

I have 17 glass shelves. theoretically, to thoroughly test the 'one side sounds better' then I will need to test 2^17 combinations, i.e. 131,072!!!

when Andy @ Signals re-set my fraims, he seemed to find it quite easy to determine which side resonated better -- had a deeper 'ding' -- and I just accepted that known 'wisdom' -- and the system doesn't sound bad for that. 

I take the view that if it doesn't make any difference, then such tuning cannot therefore make the sound bad. But if there is a chance that there is something in this, then I benefit anyhow. So, win either way...

enjoy/ken

What side should the deep bing be at? the side Where the component is placed?

yes... 

I actually thought all the Mana madness would end with the Fraim -- but oh no! I have even heard folks talking about having multiple fraim bases, apparently to good effect. I am not going there !!!

enjoy/ken

I imagine 17 fraim bases on the floor.   Audiophilia can touch the ridiculous sometimes.

Imagine spending £125,000 on audio boxes.

what’s ridiculous?

Spending such money in audio boxes is not ridiculous, for me.   But putting each boxe on one fraim base , one box per fraim rack only base, is ridiculous.    

If one could get a tangible gain by adding an extra level or 2 at 1/100 of the cost equal to the gain of a audio box. Thats anything but ridiculous in my books. 

I was just imaging 17 naim frame bases put side by side ( on horizontal) on the floor. Anything else.

In the late 70’s I ran valve amps and subscribed to a newsletter with small tweaks for various valve amps. Their motto: Many small inaudible modifications will make one big audible.

I learnt french during the years I followed Jean Hiraga - trying to understand the articles in his magazine L’Audiophile. They would run stuff like listening tests with different solder. Or cables used for internal wiring (this was in the early 80’s).

During the years I have seen many at one time ridiculed ideas that now are considered normal. Many of them from Linn and Naim. 

Dont be afraid of the tweaks.

I am thinking about purchasing Fraim (7 Levels) but at the price these come in at are they really going to make that much of an improvement to justify the cost?

I would place the hifi component on top of the glass

Granted posted:

I am thinking about purchasing Fraim (7 Levels) but at the price these come in at are they really going to make that much of an improvement to justify the cost?

I’ve just had mine delivered and set up today and I am pleasantly surprised at the difference it makes, was slightly disbelieving on what others have said previously. I am looking forward to solo home time to trawel through my varied collection....

Bob the Builder posted:

Wow honestly you lot are too much if you can detect a difference in sound between any configuration then you are imagining things apart of course from getting the SC away from the pre. 

If you believe one side of sheet of glass can sound better than another then good luck to you. 

My main consideration is making sure all cables are not stretched the rest is aesthetics. 

Oh ye of little (Naimite) faith! I can detect the difference between one side of a felt mat and another. But then I am a demigod  and so is Peter Swain.

hungryhalibut posted:

It’s not really about sides as such. One way up, the glass will ring. The other way up, it won’t. It makes more of a dull boink. You want it the way up that makes it ring. 

The Naim sound reduced to  'ring' and 'boink'. Wherein lies the PRAT!?