Mose Hercules V Lingo 1

Bob the Builder posted:

After owning this excellent LP12 PSU for well over a month I finally got it fitted properly to a new cross brace. 

You kept it for a whole month! That must be a record for you, Bob ????

Glad you have it bolted on now ....it's not hard really!!

My history of power supplies goes. Valhalla then moss then Armageddon then mober ...and I have always been supprised by people claiming OMG moments..

Yes there are nice but suttle differences between the sound and the "force" of the notes ... But none of these supplies is crap at maintaining a 7kg platter at 33.33rpm

The nicest thing with going DC inside the deck is just that ...no AC noise near sensitive MC cartridges..and also being able to get rid of a mass of earthing wires that can affect bounce and rattle about if not secure

Just my two pence worth

I owned a Lingo 1 when they first came out as the Armeggedon wasn’t available at the time. I used this combination on the LP 12 till I changed from an Ittok to an Aro about 11 years ago.

i was then advised to try an Armeggedon to me it was a night and day change. The Lingo 1 was sold and I was lucky to sell it for a price close to my initial purchase. I don’t know if it’s compliments the Aro but it was the way forward. The downside is you can’t play at 45rpm unless you use the pulley but for me as I don’t need that facility I can live with that.

Regards,

Martin

If the Armageddon had 45rpm I would without doubt be using one but apart from my growing collection of 45rpm remasters I own a couple of hundred reggae 7” and about 3 or 400 reggae and Dance 12” a lot of which are 45rpm so the adapter just isn’t feasible. 

Arthur Lee posted:

I owned a Lingo 1 when they first came out as the Armeggedon wasn’t available at the time. I used this combination on the LP 12 till I changed from an Ittok to an Aro about 11 years ago.

If the timing you described is right, it was 17yrs old by then and should thus have needed servicing. ;-)

Bob

Do you have the Mose Hercules or the Hercules. The Mose Hercules is a hercules circuit board in a box with an aditional PCB that contains some kind of filter.

I use a Hercules as a replacement for the beyond repair circuit board in my Manticore MB6. Probabley better than the Mose Hercules as it has a 240v to 110v transformer between hercules and the Mains. It’s definatley not as good as the original MB6, not as precice or dynamic, but smoother. But then again the MB6 was better than the Lingo 1 and the Armagedon.

The Hercules output is 85v, the same as the Lingo and Armagedon, but Manticore recommended an ouput of 106v, I found increasing the voltage reduced the smoothness and increased PRAT. The motor is rated to 110v, so might be worth a try upping the voltage, all you need is a small screwdriver.

I thought the idea was to use as low a voltage as you could get away with...for best results

Thought you have to hand start the LP12 at about 65v

Bob the Builder posted:

If the Armageddon had 45rpm I would without doubt be using one but apart from my growing collection of 45rpm remasters I own a couple of hundred reggae 7” and about 3 or 400 reggae and Dance 12” a lot of which are 45rpm so the adapter just isn’t feasible. 

I used an Armageddon for years and managed to play 45 r.p.m. courtesy of a PS Audio Power Plant that regenerated the mains frequency by an appropriately higher scaling factor to make the motor turn precisely at 45 r.p.m. Not only did the  80's era 45 r.p.m. 12" EP provide some of the best vinyl sound ever, but it also improved the sound of the LP12 when running at conventional rpm. Note that I hooked ONLY the Armageddon to the Power Plant. I did once try  using it with the 552PS and was rewarded but a bland soul-less presentation.  

These findings were in conjunction with balanced power to the wall sockets via a 10kVA Equitech. 

fatcat posted:

Bob

Do you have the Mose Hercules or the Hercules. The Mose Hercules is a hercules circuit board in a box with an aditional PCB that contains some kind of filter.

I use a Hercules as a replacement for the beyond repair circuit board in my Manticore MB6. Probabley better than the Mose Hercules as it has a 240v to 110v transformer between hercules and the Mains. It’s definatley not as good as the original MB6, not as precice or dynamic, but smoother. But then again the MB6 was better than the Lingo 1 and the Armagedon.

The Hercules output is 85v, the same as the Lingo and Armagedon, but Manticore recommended an ouput of 106v, I found increasing the voltage reduced the smoothness and increased PRAT. The motor is rated to 110v, so might be worth a try upping the voltage, all you need is a small screwdriver.

Yes fatcat I have the Mose a PCB that goes in the same spot as a Valhalla would and a separate boxed unit about the same size as a Lingo. 

Your set up sounds very exotic and interesting I’m afraid my understanding of rails and voltages is very limited so can’t comment on that but the Mose Hercules is fantastic vfm I bought mine used from cymbiosis for the cost of a new Hercules 2 pcb 

ChrisSU posted:

Bob the Builder posted:

After owning this excellent LP12 PSU for well over a month I finally got it fitted properly to a new cross brace. 

You kept it for a whole month! That must be a record for you, Bob ????

No ChrisSU I didn’t keep it for a month don’t be silly!!

I connected it up but because the very early cross brace didn’t have pre drilled holes to take The Hercules pcb I held it in place with some miniature crocodile clips. 

Then I fitted a new cross brace last weekend that had the pre drilled holes to accommodate the Hercules. 

Ron Toolsie posted:

Bob the Builder posted:

If the Armageddon had 45rpm I would without doubt be using one but apart from my growing collection of 45rpm remasters I own a couple of hundred reggae 7” and about 3 or 400 reggae and Dance 12” a lot of which are 45rpm so the adapter just isn’t feasible. 

I used an Armageddon for years and managed to play 45 r.p.m. courtesy of a PS Audio Power Plant that regenerated the mains frequency by an appropriately higher scaling factor to make the motor turn precisely at 45 r.p.m. Not only did the  80's era 45 r.p.m. 12" EP provide some of the best vinyl sound ever, but it also improved the sound of the LP12 when running at conventional rpm. Note that I hooked ONLY the Armageddon to the Power Plant. I did once try  using it with the 552PS and was rewarded but a bland soul-less presentation.  

These findings were in conjunction with balanced power to the wall sockets via a 10kVA Equitech. 

Hi Ron

I think you should do a whole thread on your being able to play 45rpm with an Armageddon as I would think it would by of interest to many owners. 

Japtimscarlet posted:

I thought the idea was to use as low a voltage as you could get away with...for best results

Thought you have to hand start the LP12 at about 65v

Many years ago, one of the HIFI mags of the time did a Lingo, Armagedon, MB6 shootout on an LP12, they thought the MB6 performed better than the other two.

The MB6 output is 106v (although it can be adjusted), so, if the reviewer hadn’t opened up the MB6 and adjusted the voltage, the LP12 sounded good at 106v.

I found on my Mantra, the music was more dynamic at the higher voltage, with perhaps a reduction in detail.  Best is subjective, and possibly system dependant. Some people think the Armageddon is better than the lingo and vicerersa. You won’t know if yopu prefer the LP12 at 106v if you don’t try it.

Bob the Builder posted:

the Mose Hercules is fantastic vfm I bought mine used from cymbiosis for the cost of a new Hercules 2 pcb 

You're not wrong. At approx. £300 the hercules is definatley a bargain. Some people are paying more than that to have a cable frozen.

In recent years I've had the Valhalla power supply removed from my LP12 and now use a Heed Orbit1 external power supply, I've been very impressed with it and it plays 33 1/3 rpm and 45rpm.