Ethernet Cables

If "my husband and I" is good enough for the Queen,  then "my wife" is good enough for me.   But who gives a hoot,  'er indoors, SHMBO,  significant other,  my partner,  all that is good in my book & for those who actually have a sense of humour they will appreciate a touch of lightheartedness.    As for using her/his name,  no problem, I don't give a hoot,  but I don't actually know who that name is,  we've not been introduced old chap   ............ 

Well, I've been referred to as "my wife" and I don't have any problem with that - it's along the same lines as "my father", "my sister", "my partner" etc., and in that context it's used to show relationship, not possession.  "The wife" would leave me feeing a little uncomfortable, but wouldn't be enough to start a row, I'd just say that I prefer to not be classified with "the cat".

For me, SWMBO and SO are also fine (so long as SWMBO isn't "She Who Must Be Outmanoeuvred"!), even "the Boss" is OK - but would probably be met with "Yes, and don't forget it" (delivered with feigned haughtiness).

But as pointed out earlier, I reserve the right to change my mind!  

Wouldn’t it be unfortunate if someone(s) made super impressive ethernet cables which look more like audio cables than the boring grey stuff IT professionals use but only a few people bought them. Made because there was a market for analogue cables, speaker, RCA interconnects etc.

It would be worse still if all those who did buy them stated publicly that they could hear no difference and wanted to return them and their money back.

I'd never go to a demo without my other half, after all it's both our monies that we're spending. Very occasionally she'll say let's hear the next level up. If it's that much better she'll suggest getting it to save on upgrades! Cables, ethernet or otherwise are a very personal thing. If one of us is unsure of a difference, better, worse or just different then that's perhaps a reason not to buy. Use and believe yours and your partners ears. Rich 

Patronising, chauvinistic and misogynistic ‘terms of endearment’ have long been thinly disguised as humour. Having worked for 30+ years as a cop, very much a male oriented culture throughout the 70s and 80s (who remembers ‘Life On Mars’?), I witnessed many instances of ‘if you can’t take a joke’ qualifier after the delivery of chauvinistic put downs ranging from mild to obscene. Thank heavens those days are, more or less, over.

Now then, can we get this thread back on the rails!! ????

Huge posted:

even "the Boss" is OK 

 

???? Huge,...I love the comment ????????????????.

/Peder???? 

The missus and I really like this cable. It is better than the less costly C-stream cable, objectively, as she said it sounded better when we did a double blind. She is a good Sheila and not at all stuck-up, so there!

Nothing like a good down to earth Kiwi Shelia, I have one too.

Kiwi cat posted:

The missus and I really like this cable. It is better than the less costly C-stream cable, objectively, as she said it sounded better when we did a double blind. She is a good Sheila and not at all stuck-up, so there!

....stupid question....does the arrow show the cable  "direction"? If so, shouldn't it point TO the streamer? I would connect this in that direction if music comes "out" of a NAS f.ex....

Ralf

T38.45 posted:

Kiwi cat posted:

The missus and I really like this cable. It is better than the less costly C-stream cable, objectively, as she said it sounded better when we did a double blind. She is a good Sheila and not at all stuck-up, so there!

....stupid question....does the arrow show the cable  "direction"? If so, shouldn't it point TO the streamer? I would connect this in that direction if music comes "out" of a NAS f.ex....

Ralf

The arrow is the "direction" indicator & Chord do intend that to point towards the streamer.    Mind you how the data flow directionality is affected by the proximity of the south pole in the antipodes compared to the north pole orientation at the Chord lab in Amesbury is a valid question.       

Directional ethernet .

SimonPeterArnold posted:

Directional ethernet .

Yes really, honest really.     Hence my tongue in cheek question about variability of  the directional effects in Amesbury compared to NZ.

even my Audioquest cheaper one has a direction/arrow printed on top....that's why i asked that question....Imho it's non-sense...

Listen here you lot, if you are not going to take boutique Ethernet cables seriously,.....then....well....just stop the scarcasm, OK. Chord and other proper Ethernet cable manufacturers have gone to great lengths to establish which direction noughts and ones prefer to march. If you want to waste your money by insisting they march in the wrong direction then more fool you.

Disgusted, of Chesham.

Trolling that's what it is.

Maybe some should read the Chord Co history, how and who started it and why.

I'm sceptical about these directional Ethernet cables, they don't work you know.

I connected the cable with the arrow pointing toward the NAS drive then spoke into the speakers -> complete failure: it didn't record a thing on the NAS disk!

Huge posted:

I'm sceptical about these directional Ethernet cables, they don't work you know.

I connected the cable with the arrow pointing toward the NAS drive then spoke into the speakers -> complete failure: it didn't record a thing on the NAS disk!

Ah, I think I know why your test failed.

Although the noughts and ones were being pushed the right way down the Ethernet cable, they simply haven't been trained to march from the streamer to the NAS. For that I think you need the next generation ethernet cable, but I warn you they ain't cheap!

I am reliably informed by the local Naim dealership that the arrow on the Ethernet cable should point towards the source, not the streamer. I am not being a troll.

i did try 4 different Chord Ethernet cables and the Signiture to me was the best value albeit not cheap at around £600. I did try their 2nd to top cable that was about £1200 and could not find a significant improvement in my system.

To each their own, but that was my experience. 

“Indignant “ of Hobbitown.

SimonPeterArnold posted:

Directional ethernet .

Quite, directional (half duplex) Ethernet got generally phased out many years ago along with hubs .. its all bidirectional  (full duplex) and switches now... that is send and receive occurs concurrently during data transmission.

For those that perhaps don’t know a full duplex 100 Mbps Ethernet cable consists of two twisted pair serial links running in both directions... an Ethernet lead is effectively a specific type of bi directional serial lead.

The serial links appear effectively as compromised transmission lines..

The only thing that might be of relevance is the screen shield if the lead incorporates one, and if only connected at one end.. then the arrow might point to which end the screen is attached... that would be fair enough, but for transparency they should say that rather than rely on Mystic Meg.

If any of you get to attend an ND555 or Statement demo, take along a £5 ethernet cable and ask to hear it compared to whatever they’re using .

And btw, there’s no such thing as 0s and 1s in a cable. Its all just analog voltages.... 

Oh yes and if you do.. playout a single track say 3 mins long.. after 60 seconds pull the cable out.. the track should still play to the end... do you hear any difference?

Naim have on a couple of occasions been using Chord c stream, not £5, but not £500 either......circ£40 for a 0.75 m length.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Oh yes and if you do.. playout a single track say 3 mins long.. after 60 seconds pull the cable out.. the track should still play to the end... do you hear any difference?

The track will keep playing what's in the buffer does it not, that being from when the cable was attached ?

Obsydian posted:

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Oh yes and if you do.. playout a single track say 3 mins long.. after 60 seconds pull the cable out.. the track should still play to the end... do you hear any difference?

The track will keep playing what's in the buffer does it not, that being from when the cable was attached ?

Yes, but the point is that with the cable removed, it can no longer be introducing anything that adversely affects the sound (or even subjectively improves it.) So with the larger buffer of the new streamers, it becomes easier to assess the effects of cables, switches etc. 

But...didn’t the sound originally travel down / along the Ethernet cable ? ????