ProAc Tablette 10s: Room size?

The size of your room is more than adequate for the 10s. Try them first close to the front wall, preferably solid and bearing, as they are designed for such placement. Bring them forward step by step, or should I say cm by cm, to find a sweet spot. ????

Chag -

I had Tab10 in a slightly smaller room with little succes, finally found around 30-35 squaremtr w high ceiling beeing too large

Could have been down to other issues, not using 250DR but Supernait based I've got better results w LS50, a pity usually beeing a fan of non-ported.

Would think Tab10 works great in smaller rooms

Hope they create a slightly larger version and single wire please, the SM100 is ported I recall.

My room is a very similar size Easeback plus same amp.

Used both the Tab 10 and Tab 10 signatures. No issues with these beauties filling the room if you can stretch to the sigs they have a slightly better bass extension but either would work.

Can you audition a pair first.

Also recommend a heavy mass stand either Target (hard to find) or Custom Design SQ404 as these also add to the bass.

I was speaking to Celef the other day and asked about a single wired version, but they said it was no possible due to the design of the crossover unfortunately. Still, I registered my protest! They said that the Tablette sells really well in the Far East, where users typically have small rooms. A 6m by 5m room seems rather large for suck tiddlers, though they do look brilliant. My room, at 5.1m by 3.6m, never seemed particularly small if you look at the average 80s UK house, but compared to some of the rooms used by Forum members it does sound a bit small. The advantage is that with a big amplifier and the right, non boomy, speakers, it’s possible to really drive the room, rather than having a system that might sound lost. With a 6m by 5m room it would be worth trying some larger wall hugging speakers against the Tabs. The Tab reference and a good stand cost about £1,600, whereas I paid £2,100 for my larger, albeit secondhand speakers. I wonder which are best. 

HiFiman posted:

Used both the Tab 10 and Tab 10 signatures. No issues with these beauties filling the room if you can stretch to the sigs they have a slightly better bass extension but either would work. 

Hi HiFiman; How would you compare the Sigs with the 10s besides a slightly better bass extension? Is such extension well controlled? Is it at the cost of any compromise with overall spectrum balance, cohesion, timbres, transparency or pace?  

Chag - 

Thanks for the replies. Yes, I'd read HiFiMan's praise of 272/250/Tab 10s in another thread. I will try to demo the Signatures too. Shop stands are Lovan Sovereign A6s, which look very similar to the Targets.

Much as I like the Tablettes, I still fret that my room is on the margins of what they can reasonably be expected to handle. If I include my connecting kitchen area, total room size is nearer 40 m2. My system already sounds quite lean with the AE 300s, which in theory have lower LF extension than the Tablettes. 'Wall hugging' is also a tricky concept chez moi, with a 40cm difference in room depth w.r.t. the left and right speakers.

I'm hoping to demo the ProAc DB3s, but local dealer has no stock. The DB1s, at nearly twice the price of the Tablettes, didn't really blow me away, plus I'm not so keen on their front panel 'lip', which IMO spoils their otherwise clean looks. 

Chag... posted

 

Hi HiFiman; How would you compare the Sigs with the 10s besides a slightly better bass extension? Is such extension well controlled? Is it at the cost of any compromise with overall spectrum balance, cohesion, timbres, transparency or pace?  

Chag - 

They are both very similar in the presentation and I was a very happy std 10 owner only changed to the sigs due to room move and decor.

After the room move I did use the std Tabs for a while before I opted for a cherry pair, received a great trade in via my local dealer and thought what the hell lets go for the signature.

The signature just adds more in every aspect to the excellent strengths of the std, with a 250dr you can drive these hard without loosing detail, I'm a big fan of Stanley Clarke and the bass lines can be followed with ease, no boom just amazing control and instruments can easily placed in front of you with a sense of depth.

I maybe biased towards these speakers but they do fill my room with foot taping engagement that's hard to beat at any price level.

In the end I wasn't quite convinced by the little Tablettes and went for the DB3s. As a previous poster noted, the basic laws of physics do have a say in speaker design. The DB3s are 16.5L internal volume vs. 9L for the Tablettes.

IMO The Tab 10s are probably great for an office or bedroom system, but I couldn't see them being comfortable in my living room. Not that I'm not looking to blow the doors off, but I need a bit of grunt and heft.

Slightly bemused by the ProAc manual's advice to let the speakers stand for a few hours at 16C before playing anything. Probably more applicable to Bracknell than Bangkok, as the only way I can achieve that kind of temperature is to run the air con full blast.

Early indications via 272 & 250 DR very favourable. Only one month and 29 days of run-in left...

easeback1 posted:

In the end I wasn't quite convinced by the little Tablettes and went for the DB3s. As a previous poster noted, the basic laws of physics do have a say in speaker design. The DB3s are 16.5L internal volume vs. 9L for the Tablettes.

IMO The Tab 10s are probably great for an office or bedroom system, but I couldn't see them being comfortable in my living room. Not that I'm not looking to blow the doors off, but I need a bit of grunt and heft.

Slightly bemused by the ProAc manual's advice to let the speakers stand for a few hours at 16C before playing anything. Probably more applicable to Bracknell than Bangkok, as the only way I can achieve that kind of temperature is to run the air con full blast.

Early indications via 272 & 250 DR very favourable. Only one month and 29 days of run-in left...

 

 

Similar experience or perhaps preference. I always pick the largest speaker the room can accommodate. Large speakers always do bass and scale better than small mini monitors with 4 to 5 inch drivers. Coupled by my preference of sitting 11 to 13 feet away  from the speakers (nearfield configuration does not fit me) , larger speakers always appeal to me more than smaller ones if the room is able to accommodate.

Enjoy the DB3s.

easeback1 posted:

In the end I wasn't quite convinced by the little Tablettes and went for the DB3s. As a previous poster noted, the basic laws of physics do have a say in speaker design. The DB3s are 16.5L internal volume vs. 9L for the Tablettes.

IMO The Tab 10s are probably great for an office or bedroom system, but I couldn't see them being comfortable in my living room. Not that I'm not looking to blow the doors off, but I need a bit of grunt and heft.

Slightly bemused by the ProAc manual's advice to let the speakers stand for a few hours at 16C before playing anything. Probably more applicable to Bracknell than Bangkok, as the only way I can achieve that kind of temperature is to run the air con full blast.

Early indications via 272 & 250 DR very favourable. Only one month and 29 days of run-in left...

 

 

Enjoy the DB3 I'm pleased you found a speaker that works for you, Proac and Naim just works.

I disagree with your statement regarding the Tabs are great for an office or bedroom system, in my 4x6 living room the Tabs sound amazing on the end of my 272/555DR/250DR but I guess each to their own especially when it comes down to speakers.

Likewise our 4.5 x 6.0 x 3.5h room allows the Tab10 to work perfectly with 272/XPSDR. 

Horses for courses.

G

After (foolishly) having sold a set of Studio 115s just before moving last summer I am now faced with finding a replacement for my new place. I had the Tablette 10s and DB3s in mind but I'm afraid the former would not be able to fill my largish living room with high ceiling that opens up to dining/kitchen area and the latter are unfortunately out of budget at this time. None are available for demo let alone borrowing for home trial in my area (Proac distribution sucks badly here in Canada). Nothing appearing on the used market either with the exception of a demo pair of 118s. My other choices are Totem Sky (very inexpensive here in Canada compared to UK) and a good match with Naim and the Buchardt S400 which are out of stock and available only in a pre order discount status. Tried the Skys already - good dynamics, detail, PRaT and versatility with all types of recordings with the exception of being very slightly nasal in the upper mids and not particularly that exciting to look at. For now my decision is leaning heavily towards the Buchardts.  

Small speakers have a better stereo image and more believable instrument tones. IMO, this is due to very low box colorations. 

Because they can't reproduce low frequencies at the same volume level as the remaining part, you often feel there is something missing. However, after a while you can get used to that and ignore the parts missing but it's a compromise.

Iconoclast posted:

After (foolishly) having sold a set of Studio 115s just before moving last summer I am now faced with finding a replacement for my new place. I had the Tablette 10s and DB3s in mind but I'm afraid the former would not be able to fill my largish living room with high ceiling that opens up to dining/kitchen area and the latter are unfortunately out of budget at this time. None are available for demo let alone borrowing for home trial in my area (Proac distribution sucks badly here in Canada). Nothing appearing on the used market either with the exception of a demo pair of 118s. My other choices are Totem Sky (very inexpensive here in Canada compared to UK) and a good match with Naim and the Buchardt S400 which are out of stock and available only in a pre order discount status. Tried the Skys already - good dynamics, detail, PRaT and versatility with all types of recordings with the exception of being very slightly nasal in the upper mids and not particularly that exciting to look at. For now my decision is leaning heavily towards the Buchardts.  

I’m confused! In the U.K. the DB3s retail, including VAT, at £1,500. The S400s are £2,000.

Unless you’re getting a remarkable deal on the Buchardts, I can’t see how you can afford them, but not the ProAcs. Even the DB1s, at £1,900, are cheaper than the S400s.

The S400 in black/white are €1,610.00 - €200 pre order discount = €1410 (2100 CAD + possible 15% import duty). The Tablette 10s are 2400 CAD + 15% sales tax and the DB3s are 3400 CAD + 15% sales tax . I can get the Totem Sky stand mounts for 2000 CAD (no tax) (€1340). I can't even demo the Proacs whereas Buchardt offers a 30 day trial with no return shipping fees. A no brainer in my book unless I ordered Proacs directly from UK but I'm sure I'd be told ''sorry sir you need to obtain them through our authorized Canadian distributor''

Iconoclast posted:

The S400 in black/white are €1,610.00 - €200 pre order discount = €1410 (2100 CAD + possible 15% import duty). The Tablette 10s are 2400 CAD + 15% sales tax and the DB3s are 3400 CAD + 15% sales tax . I can get the Totem Sky stand mounts for 2000 CAD (no tax) (€1340). I can't even demo the Proacs whereas Buchardt offers a 30 day trial with no return shipping fees. A no brainer in my book unless I ordered Proacs directly from UK but I'm sure I'd be told ''sorry sir you need to obtain them through our authorized Canadian distributor''

 

Wow - what a difference! One day someone will be able to explain to me the disparity in pricing from country to country, and it isn’t all about import duty. I understand carriage has to be paid for and local sales taxes are applicable, and occasionally I get stung for customs ‘duty’ for which the calculations appear to have come from Willy Wonka Land. Even so, prices seem to be simply plucked out of the air, more of a ‘what will the market stand’ rather than a fair manufacturing and production costs plus a reasonable profit margin.

There are times when I hate capitalism! Good luck with the speaker search.

Timmo1341 posted:

Iconoclast posted:

The S400 in black/white are €1,610.00 - €200 pre order discount = €1410 (2100 CAD + possible 15% import duty). The Tablette 10s are 2400 CAD + 15% sales tax and the DB3s are 3400 CAD + 15% sales tax . I can get the Totem Sky stand mounts for 2000 CAD (no tax) (€1340). I can't even demo the Proacs whereas Buchardt offers a 30 day trial with no return shipping fees. A no brainer in my book unless I ordered Proacs directly from UK but I'm sure I'd be told ''sorry sir you need to obtain them through our authorized Canadian distributor''

 

Wow - what a difference! One day someone will be able to explain to me the disparity in pricing from country to country, and it isn’t all about import duty. I understand carriage has to be paid for and local sales taxes are applicable, and occasionally I get stung for customs ‘duty’ for which the calculations appear to have come from Willy Wonka Land. Even so, prices seem to be simply plucked out of the air, more of a ‘what will the market stand’ rather than a fair manufacturing and production costs plus a reasonable profit margin.

There are times when I hate capitalism! Good luck with the speaker search.

I've even seen Canadian speakers being sold cheaper in the U.S. than a few streets from where they are made. Something to do with market size, or at least that's what I was told.